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Question on NEW Truck? 2500 vs 3500 Long and Short beds?

Baja_Man
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Members over on Tow Truck section suggested posting this here....

Considering a new GAS truck. Have owned a '97 Ford 7.3 diesel, '05 Ram with CTD, '10 Tundra with 5.7L, and several trucks over the years.

Preferences: Crew Cab, 4x4, Long Bed, SRW - NO expensive options like leather, navigation, sunroof, etc.

Been thinking that maybe a standard short bed would be fine especially the coil springs on the RAM 2500 series. I hear the ride is great.

I currently have a '04 Sequoia that has been just great! I use it when I tow my boat. I believe it is too limiting for a 27-28 TT.

I tend to be loyal to Toyota for Cars/SUVs/1/2 ton trucks as I appreciate their durability, reliability, and value.

Now I am trying to determine between a 1/2, 3/4. 1 ton (150-250-350). The one ton would be a SRW. I like the added payload of the 350. I also like 4x4 crew cabs, and long beds.

I like the new rear coil overs on the new Dodge 2500.

I am truck man at heart!

My needs: use around the house, tow my 17' alum boat (3000# max), and tow a future used trailer. Would like something around the 27-28' with full size bunks for my 2 boys.

The 250/350 would provide me options later on in the future if I want a truck camper or a 5er. Truck camper is a loooong shot as DW does not like them.

This will be a daily driver (15 miles round trip to work).

I will retire in 5 years and so this may be my last expensive new vehicle.

I like the idea of a TT to have use of the truck bed for storage and what not.

Now......
The Ram 2500 / 3500 are much less expensive than Ford ($6-8K for same vehicle/options.

Example: 2017 Ram 3500, Tradesman, Hemi 6.4L, 4x4, SRW, Crew, Long bed = $34900

2017 Ford F350 XL, 6.2L, Crew, 4x4, SRW, long bed = $41,700

I am not interested in the Chevy/GMC

Is there something about the Dodge that has it much lower priced? Is the 6.4L questionable?

Have any of you purchased these trucks and care to comment on your experiences?

Thanks!
2023 GMC, 3500HD, Crew Cab, 6.6L Gas/6 Speed Auto, 4X4, Standard Bed; SRW
2011 Outback 250RS - Anniversary Edition
Equal-i-zer 10K
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hotrodfords
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billyray50 wrote:
donn0128 wrote:
No matter what brand you choose long bed 3500 is by far your best choice. Long bed for more storage. No need to drop the tail gate to load a stack of studs or sheets of plywood. 3500 for the additional load carrying capacity.


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billyray50
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donn0128 wrote:
No matter what brand you choose long bed 3500 is by far your best choice. Long bed for more storage. No need to drop the tail gate to load a stack of studs or sheets of plywood. 3500 for the additional load carrying capacity.


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kohldad
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Couple other things I thought about.

Cost - double check your numbers because it should be closer to $40k.

MPG - Figure about 10-11 towing, 12-14 around the house, and about 18 on the open highway @ 65 mph. A 1/2 ton will get significantly higher mileage.

TT - for the trailer you describe, a 1/2 ton will easily be able to handle the weight.
2015 Ram 3500 4x4 Crew Cab SRW 6.4 Hemi LB 3.73 (12.4 hand calc avg mpg after 92,000 miles with camper)
2004 Lance 815 (prev: 2004 FW 35'; 1994 TT 30'; Tents)

lakeside013104
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Greetings,

Just like you, I had to make the decision to buy a "last" new truck, several years before I retired. I wanted to tow a BIG 5er, so went with a new 2011 F-350 6.7 diesel, SRW, short bed.

After towing a 15,800# 5er all over this great country including some trips across the Rockies, I can tell you I simply loved everything about this truck.

No mechanical issues, plenty of power, plenty of stopping control, integrated brake system and a pleasure to drive the 15 mile daily trip when I was still working. I did install air bags to make the ride a little softer when not towing.

I never liked the DRW look, so purchased the SRW. No regrets for the truck handled the big 5er with ease. Well, retirement came and the new truck was getting older. Also a TC purchase was in the plans.

Now an almost identical 2016 F-350 sits in the yard with a new TC easily sitting on the back. The short box works perfectly and the SRW base still looks great to me.

Your choice. There are many fine trucks on the market. If you think Fords are priced too high for you, shop around. Some dealers love their trucks so much that they refuse to part with them by offering their customers big discounts. Time to look at a discounting dealership.

Good luck with your choice and keep us posted on your experiences.

Lakeside

kohldad
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Bed length - long bed since it will carry any load better, will have a smoother ride, provides more bed space, will not require a slider hitch for the FW, and you really won't notice the turning radius difference.

If a TC is any possibility in the future, a 1-ton for sure. You will NOT be able to carry a camper in a 3/4 Ram due to the coil springs. The coil springs just aren't designed for carrying heavy high COG loads.

Truck camper is a loooong shot as DW does not like them.


That's what my wife use to say as we were rolling down the road with a 35' FW in tow. Then I bought one to use hauling my jeep to the trails. After the girls and I convinced her to take a trip or two just camping in it, she decided it wasn't that bad and the FW was soon sold. That was 8 years ago and we are still enjoying the same TC and have no plans anytime soon to switch back to a trailer. Not even after I retire in 3 years.

If you plan on retiring in 5 years and doubt you will be able to make another large purchase after retirement, then I would wait until your last year of employment before buying. It's going to be hard to make the one truck last through all of your retirement years.

I have the basic Ram truck you are looking liking and drive about the same: 2015 Ram 3500 SRW 4wd long bed, 6.4 hemi,3.73 gears and drive it daily the 10 miles each way to work and my run around vehicle. Difference is I moved up to a SLT for a couple thousand more because we felt the options on it was the cheaper way to go. Of course, I did want the chrome appearance package on the Tradesman and the power seat with fold flat rear eat which wasn't available on the Tradesman, but got a few other features like power sliding rear window. I really like the rear window because I like riding with the windows open and being able to open it gives a nice breeze through the cab.

I have 43k on the 6.4 and really love it for carrying my 2,400# TC. I had a 2004 Cummins before so know the power of the diesel. I feel that the 6.4 w/3.73 gears is good up to about 8 or 9k and the 4.10 up to about 10k, maybe 11k. After that, it should be the diesel. With detailed fuel tracking of the old diesel and comparing to the detailed tracking of the 6.4 carrying the same exact camper, it has cost me about $500 over the 42k miles because diesel has about a 10% premium. I did not want the high repair bill if the diesel had problems, especially with all the expensive emissions.
2015 Ram 3500 4x4 Crew Cab SRW 6.4 Hemi LB 3.73 (12.4 hand calc avg mpg after 92,000 miles with camper)
2004 Lance 815 (prev: 2004 FW 35'; 1994 TT 30'; Tents)

LanceDuyen
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I think you would be very pleased with a GMC 2500 6.0 liter Gas WT trim SRW. With 3000+lbs of payload and independent front suspension the ride is great unloaded unlike the 350's I test drove. Its the best of both worlds, ride of a 3/4 ton payload of the 1 ton.

ppine
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Ford F-350 long bed with a 7,3 diesel is the best vehicle I have ever owned out of 30 of them in the last 50 years. Max mpg is 23.

Kayteg1
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n7bsn wrote:
I've been a Ford truck guy, well, for ever.

That being said, it's my understanding that due to the new frame on the 2017 F350 it stands considerably taller then the GM or Dodge

IMO it makes the 2017 Fords less of a contender for RV use


You will always find lot of factors going all directions to consider.
My 2017 F350 carries my 5600lb camper without modifications, regardless that driving via scales shows camper COG behind rear axle.
The truck is tall, but still comfortable to get in and I don't even use factory running boards.
Than ride is much smoother than my 2007 model.
So now Supercab become sightseeing vehicle when our Mercedes stays home.
Mercedes is still way more comfortable, but you don't see much of the city from it, when driving in traffic.
Not many vehicles can cover the view from Superduty.

pastorbillv
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I'm Toyota all-the-way, but they just didn't make anything that could tow what I need. Years ago I read that they did this to not bring on the wrath of Detroit, who made so much margin on their trucks. Wrath = tariffs, etc. So, they've never competed and that's held the quality of the American trucks down (no competition with quality = no need to improve quality).

Of the Detroit trucks, only Ford had the quality per Consumer Reports (when I was shopping in 2013). Dodge was the worst. I've also had horrific experiences with Chrysler products - one truck declared a lemon per the law.

Ford also had the best rear seat, best towing capacity (with Boss package on my F-350) and best nav system for my needs.

Now, three years later, the F350 hasn't hiccup'd after towing my 14,000 lb BBQ trailer around in ridiculous places (especially parking it backing up, steep uphill, on grass/gavel, in my yard.). I've made it work to earn its living.

So, just my personal experience! (i.e. JMHO).

By the way, I currently have a 2008 Sequoia platinum and love it, 2012 RAV4 EV, 1997 RAV4, and gave my son our 2001 4Runner after giving him our 1995 T100. We've had at least six other Toyotas and loved them all.

Bill
2004 Bigfoot 29G (Love the garage!)
2017 Northern-Lite 10'2" SE on F-350 (CC, Dually, 4WD, Boss)

KD4UPL
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If there's the slighted chance you will get a TC then a 3500 long bed is a minimum. It's actually kind of silly that 2500 series trucks even exist since 3500 SRW is available. There is NO reason to get a 2500 instead of a 3500.
I can't stand short beds. A long bed truck isn't really big enough. Bikes, tools, grill, firewood, generator, chairs, cooler, etc. adds up quick.
I would get a gas truck for your use. Diesels are nice for lots of power but you're not talking about doing anything that requires lots of power. I test drove a 2015 Ram with the 6.4 Hemi and I really liked it. I've heard nothing bad at all about that engine. That would be my choice for a gas truck right now.

n7bsn
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I've been a Ford truck guy, well, for ever.

That being said, it's my understanding that due to the new frame on the 2017 F350 it stands considerably taller then the GM or Dodge

IMO it makes the 2017 Fords less of a contender for RV use
2008 F350SD V10 with an 2012 Arctic Fox 29-5E
When someone tells you to buy the same rig they own, listen, they might be right. When they tell you to buy a different rig then they own, really pay attention, they probably know something you don't.

Kayteg1
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I can't imagine short bed neither.
Had F250 that was originally short bed, but custom flatbed was 7-6" long and still created some issue with plywood hauling.
When 2 of us are comfortable in our 11-6 camper, it would be hard to live in it in rain season with kids.
Have not been inside short camper, but I am spoiled and don't want anything smaller.
Coming to Supercab vs CC - my wife sit on rear bench in my new Supercab for 12 hr trip and did not complain. Our 6' tall son obviously prefer front seat.
Than we have cab with 3 seats in front row, but dogs like front as well.

deltabravo
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GMC 2500HD or 3500HD with the 6.0 liter an 4:10 gears. Done.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

donn0128
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No matter what brand you choose long bed 3500 is by far your best choice. Long bed for more storage. No need to drop the tail gate to load a stack of studs or sheets of plywood. 3500 for the additional load carrying capacity.