Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
Hello all! Can someone clarify something for me? If a truck's max gooseneck trailer loaded weight is 15,100 lbs (as per manufacturer towing guide - it is a Ford) - how can the max cargo weight rati...
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I don’t understand the OP either...
If the rating is too low by whatever amount...bugs him, then he has two choices
#1...hire a PE/ME to redesign & certify the ratings the OP wants. Then pay a certification lab approved by DOT to re-certify & label the truck. That will most likely cost close to buying a truck with higher ratings.
#2...by a truck with higher ratings and think would cost less than #1
Then the metrics of a Product Design team for a multi-billion corporation.
Most are matrix management. Meaning the Project or Program manager chairing that design team has few on their direct staff, but assigned representatives from all over the corporation to become direct members of the team.
Each will then have either direct or dotted lined folks working for that Design team representative. For each discipline (service, mechanical, electrical, electronic, system, drive train, suspension, etc, etc) can have total of thousands working on that Product Design Team...most not directly working for the PM...nor directly on the team.
From all over the corporation meaning representatives from : Service, legal, marketing, production, central engineering, agency compliance, packaging (shipping), and a BIG ETC...
Each has a weighted vote in the design. Largest percentage is in their area of responsibility, but a good PM will allow kibitzing on others area of responsibility.
Most weighted for the topic on this thread will...or should be legal and service. They can stop the whole thing, which then goes to everyone’s executive. As first ship date is always on their bonus formula.
The super computer simulations will spit out a bottom line number, based on the algorithms dialed in for the simulation. Some corporations still have actual and real world testing (the old oval track where they run millions of miles on test mules)
Then the negotiations with team members begins (should have been an on going if a good PM...poor PM’s will wait till the last when it would be costly to fix anything).
The larger the team...the wackier these numbers can become.
This goes back to the above #1...few PE/ME’s would do this re-certification. As their insurance and lively hood would be on the line for a trivial change (trivial in the why, but major in actual doing it).
Service & legal were always the overly conservative members of my design teams. Marketing/sales were always demanding the most far out numbers because they have to be “King of the mountain”...
For us outside of the OEM Product Design Team...never going to know what’ these numbers are based on...how much margin...what type of margin and another big ETC...as their algorithm(s) are part of their secret sauce...
Edit...forgot that production has their own Product Team and their ME’s (manufacturing engineers)...where they change ratings. Normally they are supposed to run that through the original product design team, but that is something often dropping through the system and never reviewed
Also, if the corporation is self certifying...the internal regulatory department will NOT allow much fudging, as if that corporation loses their self certification...that goes all the way up to the CEO...similar to a ‘line down’ situation...
Always worried some bean counter who doesn’t know how things work will kibosh that reporting system...to edict “ship it”...whereby those in the process will madly email CYA’s to everyone that they were told to ship it...
Part of what these bean counter exec’s don’t understand is that some countries actually enforce safety and will put that exec on their ‘arrest at the border list’
If the rating is too low by whatever amount...bugs him, then he has two choices
#1...hire a PE/ME to redesign & certify the ratings the OP wants. Then pay a certification lab approved by DOT to re-certify & label the truck. That will most likely cost close to buying a truck with higher ratings.
#2...by a truck with higher ratings and think would cost less than #1
Then the metrics of a Product Design team for a multi-billion corporation.
Most are matrix management. Meaning the Project or Program manager chairing that design team has few on their direct staff, but assigned representatives from all over the corporation to become direct members of the team.
Each will then have either direct or dotted lined folks working for that Design team representative. For each discipline (service, mechanical, electrical, electronic, system, drive train, suspension, etc, etc) can have total of thousands working on that Product Design Team...most not directly working for the PM...nor directly on the team.
From all over the corporation meaning representatives from : Service, legal, marketing, production, central engineering, agency compliance, packaging (shipping), and a BIG ETC...
Each has a weighted vote in the design. Largest percentage is in their area of responsibility, but a good PM will allow kibitzing on others area of responsibility.
Most weighted for the topic on this thread will...or should be legal and service. They can stop the whole thing, which then goes to everyone’s executive. As first ship date is always on their bonus formula.
The super computer simulations will spit out a bottom line number, based on the algorithms dialed in for the simulation. Some corporations still have actual and real world testing (the old oval track where they run millions of miles on test mules)
Then the negotiations with team members begins (should have been an on going if a good PM...poor PM’s will wait till the last when it would be costly to fix anything).
The larger the team...the wackier these numbers can become.
This goes back to the above #1...few PE/ME’s would do this re-certification. As their insurance and lively hood would be on the line for a trivial change (trivial in the why, but major in actual doing it).
Service & legal were always the overly conservative members of my design teams. Marketing/sales were always demanding the most far out numbers because they have to be “King of the mountain”...
For us outside of the OEM Product Design Team...never going to know what’ these numbers are based on...how much margin...what type of margin and another big ETC...as their algorithm(s) are part of their secret sauce...
Edit...forgot that production has their own Product Team and their ME’s (manufacturing engineers)...where they change ratings. Normally they are supposed to run that through the original product design team, but that is something often dropping through the system and never reviewed
Also, if the corporation is self certifying...the internal regulatory department will NOT allow much fudging, as if that corporation loses their self certification...that goes all the way up to the CEO...similar to a ‘line down’ situation...
Always worried some bean counter who doesn’t know how things work will kibosh that reporting system...to edict “ship it”...whereby those in the process will madly email CYA’s to everyone that they were told to ship it...
Part of what these bean counter exec’s don’t understand is that some countries actually enforce safety and will put that exec on their ‘arrest at the border list’
