Ontario License Plate - Still hard to get!!!!

Hone eagle, for those of us towing our own personal trailers/5ers( non commercial). The CVOR exemption is for the GVWR on the door of the PU truck. If you are 6000 kilos and below you're exempt. We're not talking the RGW here. Now it depends on what the weight on the ground is of your 5er and MH. If over 11000( 24600 Lbs) kilos combined then you will have to go to the AR ticket. Like I said above, I re register the weight rating of my dually to 11000 kilos in May and then bring it back down to 4500 kilos in October, as per what I was told to do by the person at MOT. It costs $10.00 to re register and then whatever they charge for the difference in the weight change. Not cheap but better than getting a number of charges by the MOT and police. That is to make sure I'm legal with the combined weight on the ground. With the TV and 5er plus being loaded with water and an extra 50 gallons of water, etc. I have never exceeded 11000 kilos. I don't know how that is going to work for you with the MH and 5er.

Jaxdad are those weights 'on the trailer tires', hooked to the truck ? Seems to me it was at one time.

so the A-R still exists? because I can't find it on the website.
Above 6000kg will upset a bunch of trailer retailers all over ontario. "Sorry you need a CVOR to buy your dream retirement unit".
I predict confusion will reign.
I will be calling for sure
Thanks. oh and note I use a motorhome as a TV.

almcc wrote:
I thought that I would update this thread after spending some time going through the bureaucracy (now that I have some time on my hands to do so!).


After spending some time with him on the phone, it's clear that if you register your PU for a RGW of over 6,000 kg. you will be forced to go through the CVOR hassle. While he said to me that he couldn't advise me to break the law, it was clear (between the lines) that if I registered the RGW for the truck to be less than 6,000 kg., I wouldn't need a CVOR. He said they would have to weigh you to determine if you are in violation of the law regarding actual weight vs. RGW



As a final check I went into the local Service Ontario office and got a confirmation today (but they said 4,500 kg.!?)..

The confusion, and it's NOT just you even staff can't figure it out, is that at 4,500 KG RGW you require a CVOR, however there is a 'personal use' exemption that allows a non-commercial use truck up to 6,000 KG without a CVOR. Above 6,000 KG there is no exemption for anything.

This was done because people were licensing bigger trucks like F-550's with a 8,864 KG GWR at 4,500 KG to avoid the CVOR requirement. This was technically possible because the curb weight was just under 4,500 KG.

hone eagle wrote:
Well I got a answer
my question:
-I tow a trailer that weighs 8000kg with a motorhome that also weighs 8000kg
I have a B licence
is this sufficient?

answer:
true

I don't know if this is a automated response or not ,I was also directed to service ontario for anymore question getting a B etc etc
Kind of a form letter response being a weekend .

That's incorrect, there are only 2 license classes in Ontario that allow you to tow a trailer over 4,600 KG. That is "A" and "AR".

Well I got a answer
my question:
-I tow a trailer that weighs 8000kg with a motorhome that also weighs 8000kg
I have a B licence
is this sufficient?

answer:
true

I don't know if this is a automated response or not ,I was also directed to service ontario for anymore question getting a B etc etc
Kind of a form letter response being a weekend .

Ask about the rv exemption,I can't imagine the big 3 dealers taking this lying down

hone eagle wrote:
almcc
- thank you for the update. because of your post, re new classes and regulations ,I looked up MTO classes to see where I fit now.
Seems my 'B' covers everything now including 'towing over 11,000kg' ,am I correct?
Just a thought but school bus training is usually free ,does not take too long and you are road tested by your instructor (not MTO) on the same roads you train on.So you do not have to go through the process with a mto examiner.
Fairly painless ,some companies will require you to acually drive kids to school :-) be surprised how many quit after a few days.

hone eagle, I'm not sure if I'm completely out of the woods yet on the issue. I'm not sure if the MTO knows the GVWR of my truck or if they are just looking at the RGW. I plan to wait until renewal time, the notification comes early enough so that I can go through the CVOR hassle if needed. I haven't had renewal issues in previous years, not sure if this CVOR requirement is something that's starting to be enforced this year or not.

almcc
- thank you for the update. because of your post, re new classes and regulations ,I looked up MTO classes to see where I fit now.
Seems my 'B' covers everything now including 'towing over 11,000kg' ,am I correct?
Just a thought but school bus training is usually free ,does not take too long and you are road tested by your instructor (not MTO) on the same roads you train on.So you do not have to go through the process with a mto examiner.
Fairly painless ,some companies will require you to acually drive kids to school :-) be surprised how many quit after a few days.

Pipe, last time I took the 407 3 years ago ,they billed me $90.00 . never again.
I75 from now on.

A while back this CVOR problem came up on this forum, I think. I had to go to the Service Ontario office for another thing and asked them about the CVOR exemption. They didn't have a clue. I then called the MOT and they gave me the info needed. MOT asked where this Service Ontario office was and that they were going to get the dickens. Go to Service Ontario and ask for the Vehicle Registration form. The section on CVOR is on the back of the form, 3rd down. Fill it out with the GVWR of the truck. If you're under 6000 kilos you're exempt. I just make it at 5897 kilos. As for weight registration, I change mine twice a year. I get it raised to 11000 kilos, the legal limit before having to get an AR license. The covers the weight of the truck and trailer on the ground. I change it in May and get it changed back in October. I'll have to ask about the quarterly thing. I had to get the AR ticket when the gov't in all their wisdom changed the rules for us RVers a few years back. I was 3 days away from having to do my drivers' test for the 2nd year when they changed it to 11000 kilos/24600 lbs. I had written directly to the Minister of Transport at the time and eventually got an answer back from her. I think I was one of many who had complained along with the RV dealers, I was lead to believe. So maybe complaints from us RVers again might do something positive. Oh and while I'm thinking about it, if you travel the 407 around Toronto, you will be charged on your weight registration. I did when I was at 11000 kilos and got a very big surprise when I was billed. I traveled from the 401 west of Toronto onto the 407, got off at the 400 and then came back the same way. They billed me for over $300.00. I called and told them I was in my personal PU and not towing anything . They then explained how they charge but I was moved to another person who after I explained about my truck, dropped the charge down considerably. Needless to say I will not drive the 407 ever again.