Refused entry with a truck & camper

Brian: You are trying and that is good. But using any on line translator is full of problems. Mexican Spanish is not the same as Castilian Spanish. In Mexico there are many words in the North that are quite different that those in the South. Camioneta is one of them. I will bow to Chris for anything further re Language.
Moisheh

navegator wrote:
Annoy the customs agents at the border with a bunch of Mexican laws translated into English and tell them that they are not interpreting the weight stickers correct and watch how fast the "ENTRADA NEGADA" (denied entry) rubber stamp slams on the paper work!

navegator

This comment is what I was going to post about except navegator's is more precise.

Having dealt with customs and immigration folks for years when working, it's clear that these folks have discretion and they won't be fired or disciplined for saying NO. I've seen it personally at the US border during the time of "no Canadian beef" when our (non-beef) dog food was taken because "it could have been made on the same line as beef dog food", the agents interpretation of the rules.

Producing paperwork will just reinforce the agents decision whether he/she is right or wrong, and an entry in the computer will make it "fun" the next time you are crossing.

not been a single report of anyone else being denied entry because of the weight issue?

This has been happening for at least the past year and more. It has to do with misinterpretation of laws. That was admitted by a Mexican supervisor over a year ago. I am trying to track down the rules and what they say. My posts detail some of the confusion leading to misinterpretation. I am still communicating with SAT to further understand the laws.

I don't read third-party copy paste text.

'15 F350 6.7 diesel dually long bed

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and "narrow-mindedness". . .

The discussion is about laws having to do with large pickup trucks not allowed in Mexico - the Copy & Paste is the laws regarding those pickup trucks - of which any "DUALLY" would be included.

Mike & Terri Church just crossed at Nogales with no issue.

Have you ever been to Mexico? Driven there???

You get about 5 or 6 lines of my time.
I don't read third-party copy paste text. If it's not first hand, I've no interest.
If you can't communicate your point in a concise manner, it won't be read.

A pick up is classified as a cargo carrying truck!

And a camper shell s classified as cargo, not a motor home since it sits on the bed of a cargo carrying truck!

navegator

EXACTLY!! And I posted the law and the words of the law quite a while ago in this thread.

Here is the problem. There are translations and definitions. I have been going back and forth in emails with people at SAT about all of this.

There is also an exemption to the law which I also posted previously as well as the email I received from SAT. Depending on translation and interpretation and definition a pickup can be a recreational vehicle which would exempt it from the law. In the law the use the word "camioneta" which can translate to pickup truck - or not.

It appears the law says if a "camioneta" is carrying a recreational vehicle (camper?) it is then also a recreational vehicle as they are attached - but not really attached. The same could apply to pickup trucks pulling various types of trailers.

If you enter "pickup truck" on Google Translate you will get the Spanish translation "camioneta". I have asked SAT about this and they say that a pickup is a "cammioneta".

If you read the law and then communicate with the authorities you might find a few facts.

I am not posting all of my emails with SAT until some clear explanation of the wording in the law is arrived at. Lots more going on but not a solid answer yet.

I am not going to keep posting the same words over and over again here - I have already wasted far too much time on this. The laws and the words and the regulations and the wording as well as the titles of the laws and the websites where they can be found have already been posted here. If you do not bother to read them then you cannot possibly know what the laws are or what the rules are. I have made attempts to translate so all can read it. But don't bother - it is too long and complicated. But in there somewhere could be an answer. If you are not interested why bother reading this and commenting on it?

Apparently some border staff classify campers as recreational vehicles and some do not. When is a "camioneta" a recreational vehicle?

Way back toward the beginning of this whole messy thread there was an email from some Mexican authority that said any vehicle over 7,716 lbs was not permitted to cross the border. I have been trying to find the laws so people who want to know will know. Those who don't care or have made up their minds are not helping at all. If you make a claim about a legal definition please include the specific law and the exact web address where it can be found as I have done here far too many times. Back your statements up with cold hard facts as I am trying to do.

The other thread I started about all this might just help to understand it.

A pick up is classified as a cargo carrying truck!

And a camper shell s classified as cargo, not a motor home since it sits on the bed of a cargo carrying truck!

navegator

Charlestonsouthern said
BrianSue -- you did not address the point Mexicowanderer was making. "NOT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL AT THE BORDER." As a drive-in tourist, your papers mean nothing to the border people; they are just "messengers," and from a clinical standpoint, they are "robots." They are not trained to absorb your input, papers or not, regarding this matter.

MEXICOWANDERER said
Changes can only happen by rules being issued from Mexico City. NOT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL AT THE BORDER.

Navigator said
Annoy the customs agents at the border with a bunch of Mexican laws translated into English and tell them that they are not interpreting the weight stickers correct and watch how fast the "ENTRADA NEGADA" (denied entry) rubber stamp slams on the paper work!

As usual I am mystified by the comments on this forum. The negativity is astounding. Beyond any rational thinking.

I will try to clarify once again.

There has been NO CHANGE TO ANY LAWS. What I posted are the laws from MEXICO CITY!.

The INDIVIDUALS AT THE BORDER apparently do not know what the tag GVWR on the vehicle means. The law refers to CAPACIDAD DE CARGA . There is a very clear difference in these terms.

The law refers to CAPACIDAD DE CARGA which has nothing to do with GVWR – not in English and not in Spanish.

I do not remotely suggest anyone annoy any customs agents with anything translated into English. The laws are all written in Spanish. I did a Google Translate for the English speaking people on this forum. The translation is in no way intended for Spanish speakers.

Over many days I posted many web addresses where all the laws can be found and are spelled out and published in detail for anyone to access. I sent countless emails and communicated back and forth many times with people both at Aduana and SAT – various email addresses.

I have no idea what the staff at the border might do. If they clear you to go ahead there would be no reason to ANNOY them with any paperwork. But if you are aware of the laws as they are written IN MEXICO CITY and they deny you entry to Mexico because they tell you your vehicle does not comply with the rules you now have the option to debate the rules with them by showing them those written rules that come from MEXICO CITY!

If you want to visit Mexico and are anxious about the laws and the rules and whether you might be denied entry I have done a lot of research on the subject and my suggestion would be that those interested use the rules as they are written now that you have knowledge of those rules. You can prepare yourself and your vehicle for a smooth entry into Mexico if you are aware of the rules and prepare for them. Every vehicle manufacturer has the specifics on the weight and cargo capacity of the vehicles they produce. You can get the information and be prepared to discuss the specifics with the staff at the border. You do not have to argue or annoy or talk down to anyone. You can show them you have done your homework. You can go to the websites I posted to find the laws and print them out if you want to – or not.

Anyone is free to do whatever they want. No one needs to fight or argue.

I am still trying to get some sort of definition of what a pickup camper is and how it is classified in Mexico. My emails with them will continue until a conclusive answer is found. Folks can do whatever they choose with the info. If you do not like it you do not have to do anything or even read any of the posts.