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profdant139
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Dec 06, 2013

Wild idea -- skirts & a propane flame box underneath?

The underbelly of my trailer is fairly well insulated -- but I am sure that on a night below 15 degrees, something is going to freeze. (I have camped in 15 degree weather with no problem, but I don't want to tempt fate.) Electric heating tape is not an option -- I usually boondock.

So here is my wild idea -- portable skirts all around (maybe styrofoam sheeting?) to keep the cold wind out. Then, using the barbecue propane outlet under the trailer, set up some sort of a low flame inside a thick metal box under the fresh water tank (and especially the pipe that feeds the pump) -- the box will radiate heat. My goal is to keep this area just above freezing.

I know from my fridge that my dual propane tanks can feed a small flame for a very long time -- many days. I just need to be able to camp for three or four days -- I doubt we would ever stay out longer than than in very cold weather, anyway.

This must not be a good idea, because I have never heard of anyone trying it!

If the idea of enclosing the whole underbelly is impractical (too much cubic footage to heat, too much of a hassle to deal with the skirting), then maybe, as a fallback, I could just enclose the fresh water tank area and heat only that area?

I really don't care too much if my black and gray tanks freeze -- there is not enough liquid in them to bust the tanks, and the input to those tanks is warm. And the pipes inside the trailer should be ok, since we have to keep the trailer above freezing for our own comfort.

There is no way this scheme could work in subzero temps, but then again we rarely get below zero in the Sierra.

Your thoughts would be appreciated!
  • I'm not worried about burning up the trailer -- the heat will dissipate. And as long as the flame is outdoors, the carbon monoxide should not enter the trailer. There is no way I could seal the underbelly well enough for that to happen.

    But again, the fact that no one has ever tried this is not a good sign! As we all know, one of the surest signs of impending disaster is some clown who says, "Hey, guys, watch this!!"
  • I duuno but sound like it could be a Tim Taylore moment somewhere along the line. :)
  • If you have an enclosed insulated underbelly just open cabinet doors at night and run rv furnace.

    We have spent 2 weeks in temps down to -14*F and only had a freeze problem with pump suction line because "I" didn't think and left the cabinet door where water pump is located closed.
    Opened it and directed some radiant heat into cabinet for couple hours.....suction line thawed. No more freeze problems.
  • Hi profdant,

    Canvas or space cloth tarps might be velcroed in place around the bottom as a skirt. Heat will radiate through the bottom--and if you can keep the wind away a mini environment would ensue.

    Add a hydronic heater powered by the gas water heater with a circulating pump a la smkettner for a heat source.

    *Presto* no co risk at all.
  • I think you said it best. When you said "This must not be a good idea"
  • When I lived in Canada in extreme cold temps it was common to warm up vehicle engines, thaw rv systems by tarping/ skirting them, then place a long (6-10') stovepipe on the ground ending under the unit, light up what us pipeliners called a Tiger Torch, a up to 300,000btu propane weed burner, flame set accordingly, placed at the open end of the stove pipe so that it drew in outside air exhausting under the machine. Thus no flame under the unit, just heated air, lots of it.
    We even used cargo parachutes to cover entire heavy machinery , then used the heat this way to inflate it like a hot air balloon.

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