Elk Ridge tire failure

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LT tires and ST tires are not required to have service descriptions. However, the DOT allows them to be displayed on those tires at the tire manufacturers discretion. The load range system is the official medium to be used with ST & LT tires vice the load index on passenger tires.

FastEagle

Dan50 wrote:

iawoody2 wrote:
Yep I replaced my oem tires right after we got our Sundance. When with BFG Commercial TA. Never been happier and no problems.

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B.O.

iawoody2 wrote:
Yep I replaced my oem tires right after we got our Sundance. When with BFG Commercial TA. Never been happier and no problems.

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Me Again wrote:

BTW, I am going to name my 60 Minute segment on this mess "From utility trailer to RV trailer disaster!"

Chris

I think a better title would be "Even when she agrees with me she's wrongedy-wrong-wrong-wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Francesca Knowles wrote:

Me Again wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Walmart wrote: Load Index - Michelin wrote: Load Index

Most ST tires do not carry a load index number

You are really scrapin' the bottom of the barrel, nitpicking-wise. Surely even you don't you honestly believe that there's a distinction between "load index" and "load rating", based simply on the way it's printed on the tire-???

LT-metric, LT-flotation and LT-numeric tires are branded with their load range (load range E or LRE) or their ply rating (10 ply rated) on their sidewalls and list their appropriate load range letter in their descriptions as LT245/75R-16 E, 7.50R-15 D or 31x10.50R-15 C. LT-sized tires featuring section widths of 305mm/12.50” or wider have their maximum loads and cold tire pressures rated at reduced maximum load pressures.

ST-metric sized special trailer service tires will be branded with their load range (load range D or LRD) on their sidewalls and list their appropriate load range letter in their descriptions as ST205/75R15 LRD.

link to source, as if you care

Well, I will leave it to tireman9 to come along and try to educate you about industry standard things like service descriptions. While we are waiting please post the link that I asked about!

BTW, I am going to name my 60 Minute segment on this mess "From utility trailer to RV trailer disaster!"

Chris

Me Again wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Walmart wrote: Load Index - Michelin wrote: Load Index

Most ST tires do not carry a load index number

You are really scrapin' the bottom of the barrel, nitpicking-wise. Surely even you don't you honestly believe that there's a distinction between "load index" and "load rating", based simply on the way it's printed on the tire-???

LT-metric, LT-flotation and LT-numeric tires are branded with their load range (load range E or LRE) or their ply rating (10 ply rated) on their sidewalls and list their appropriate load range letter in their descriptions as LT245/75R-16 E, 7.50R-15 D or 31x10.50R-15 C. LT-sized tires featuring section widths of 305mm/12.50” or wider have their maximum loads and cold tire pressures rated at reduced maximum load pressures.

ST-metric sized special trailer service tires will be branded with their load range (load range D or LRD) on their sidewalls and list their appropriate load range letter in their descriptions as ST205/75R15 LRD.

link to source, as if you care

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Walmart wrote: Load Index - Michelin wrote: Load Index

Most ST tires do not carry a load index number, which is part of a tire service description! ST tires do not normally carry service descriptions, as they do not follow industry standard for tires that do.
http://www.mrtire.com/open/openLoadIndex.html
https://www.rightturn.com/tire-facts/tire-service-description/

What both Walmart and Michelin are saying is that my truck that came with LRE tires should not have load range D installed, yet Les Schwab installed studded snow tires on my pickup that were LRD. Rode a bit softer in the winter!!!

http://www.goodyearrvtires.com/tire-selector.aspx Select Marathon
http://www.towmaxtires.com/tires/Landing.aspx?application=towmax-product-line
http://www.carlisletransportationproducts.com/product/tires/trailers-toy-haulers-towables/radial-trail-rh

If you look at LT tires then you see load index listed as part of the service description.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-selector/category/light-truck/xps-rib/tire-details#techspecs
http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/duravis-r250 Select show all sizes.

Again post a link to a law that states that about replacement tires. Not a marketing statement by a retailer. You are good on the internet, maybe you can find something that FE has failed to find. There are laws that the tires most meet or exceed the GAWR as specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

So if we look at a trailer with 6K axles that comes with say Marathon ST235/80R16E's then GAWR is going to be 6K or less, as the GAWR can not exceed the physical axle installed.

People that purchase these trailers are trying to be trapped into continued use of cheap tires similar to the OEM ones that the manufacturer installed for dimes on a dollar.

Like I say if one goes to a commercial tire shop you will find someone smart enough to see through the marketing that is occurring with these short life offerings!

Chris

gmw photos wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:



Most shops just won't perform such an installation, but there's always the option of carrying the wheels in oneself, I s'pose. Or just going to a higher load range LT, of course.

Francesca, have you actually walked into tire shops ( you say "most", so can we assume you have walked into several different shops and asked ) and actually, really, truly been turned down when you requested to do a swap like this ???

I for one would not request such a deration, so the answer is of course "no". Not that you would believe me if I said I had- or had ever even been inside a tire shop.

I s'pose Walmart's nationwide tire operation is no "expert" in your mind, but for what it's worth here's the language posted at their page for one tire recommended previously: the LT245/75R16

Walmart wrote:
WARNING: For safety reasons, Walmart will not install tires with a load index below that of your vehicle's Original Equipment (OE) tires. Please make sure that the tires you select meet the load index requirements for your vehicle.

I'm not arguing type, just load carrying capacity. Which according to presumably competent authorities (see one below) must be equal to or greater than that of the originally spec'd tires.

Michelin wrote:
A tire with a lower load index than the Original Equipment tire indicates the tire does not equal the load capacity of the original and should not be considered for installation on the vehicle.

source



Since when is this even an "issue"???

I believe she is talking about the Fast Eagle Tire Chain.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/fast-eagle-tires-inc-san-jose

If you get push back, ask them to provide a 5 year written warranty on the CB ST tires they want you to use, including repair of consequential damages to your trailer. See how willing they are to do that.

While you are at it, ask them to show you the law they are under to require a tire rating to be anything more than equal or exceed the axle rating. There are a lot of suggestions in print! It is called marketing! We have not yet had anyone link to a law!

Or just go down the road to a commercial tire shop! Tell them you are tired of ST tire problems and need a good solution.

Chris