Re-level 5er with lippert hydraulics

stickdog wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

stickdog wrote:
I can tell when our trailer is out of level just by walking back to front. I'll just go to the panel and turn the system on and it will say "out of level". I hit auto level it does its thing and all is well and level. I try to not overthink things gets you into more trouble than out.

Ah, you can settle a disagreement: does the Autolevel go through its total cycle, or does it just move enough to relevel?

TIA

It doesn't go through the whole setup like dropping the front end I just push Auto level and pump makes pump noise trailer moves, pump stops diodes say checking for level, then "Success".

Well, I guess we'll go with what people say who actually do it. Guess that "If you hit AUTO the nose will dive and go thru the whole auto level process." statement posited as fact is WRONG. Wonder what else was incorrect?

fj12ryder wrote:

stickdog wrote:
I can tell when our trailer is out of level just by walking back to front. I'll just go to the panel and turn the system on and it will say "out of level". I hit auto level it does its thing and all is well and level. I try to not overthink things gets you into more trouble than out.

Ah, you can settle a disagreement: does the Autolevel go through its total cycle, or does it just move enough to relevel?

TIA

It doesn't go through the whole setup like dropping the front end I just push Auto level and pump makes pump noise trailer moves, pump stops diodes say checking for level, then "Success".

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Well, maybe yours does that, but my front levelers are completely independent of the center/rear levelers when in Manual"

I did NOT say the fronts were part of the rears but they DO adjust when the side is raised or lowered if they did not the frame would be in a twisted condition. Front legs equalize to the side by side created by the rears. We agree now?

The sides adjust to each other also so one is not supporting more than the other.

Nope, we totally disagree. I have worked with mine when I was changing tires, and I can positively tell you that my sides will move independently of one another. I can raise one side, but not the other. I can raise one side, and not the front.

And what you stated: "I did NOT say the fronts were part of the rears but they DO adjust when the side is raised or lowered if they did not the frame would be in a twisted condition." is incorrect. The fronts, on my trailer, do not adjust when the side is raised or lowered, which leads to my statement that Manual adjustments can lead to a frame that is not equally supported by all levelers.

This is the way mine works, yours must work differently. But please don't presume to tell me how mine works.

"Well, maybe yours does that, but my front levelers are completely independent of the center/rear levelers when in Manual"

I did NOT say the fronts were part of the rears but they DO adjust when the side is raised or lowered if they did not the frame would be in a twisted condition. Front legs equalize to the side by side created by the rears. We agree now?

The sides adjust to each other also so one is not supporting more than the other.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I know this because I have extensively had conversations with Melvin at Lippert on how the system works. The fronts adjust to what you do at the rear on each side. Have someone hit extend off door side rear you will see the off door front extend. The side levelers are tied together and balance them selves also.

The front drops when you hit auto level, you can't stop it. I guess all I can say that is how mine has worked in the past as I am not using auto again. So if you are slightly out of level after setting for a while go to manual mode and adjust to level it's that simple.

Well, maybe yours does that, but my front levelers are completely independent of the center/rear levelers when in Manual. If I raise/lower the rear of the trailer, the center and rear levelers move, the fronts do not. It's best not assume that because yours works that way, "They all do that". :)

I don't know "Melvin at Lippert" but bad/wrong advice coming from the builder/factory is not unheard of.

CoMoCo wrote:
Why has it become out of level? Have the jacks sunk further into the ground?

I would pull the slides in and retract the jacks and ensure the ground below the jacks is stable. Then put boards (or plastic pads) under the jacks to make sure the trailer is as stable as possible.

Over time the load on the jacks will cause some bypass in the cylinders. Mine does it every 4-6 months sitting in my barn on 5200 concrete.

fj12ryder wrote:
"Manually leveling does NOT create binding of any type." And you know this how? Or just what you think? If you raise just the right rear side, which would be the middle and rear levelers, and not the front, what happens to the right front side? Won't it no longer be supported as much by the leveler at that corner?

I believe the hydraulic cylinders are rated at 8-10,000 lbs. EACH. So it would seem pretty unlikely you'll overload 50-60,000 lbs. worth of hydraulic cylinders. And can't see how manual level would be any different, the pressure is always the same.

I can't personally say whether it will recycle when AutoLevel, but have heard that it doesn't. But cannot say for sure, I've not done it when level so can't say.

I know this because I have extensively had conversations with Melvin at Lippert on how the system works. The fronts adjust to what you do at the rear on each side. Have someone hit extend off door side rear you will see the off door front extend. The side levelers are tied together and balance them selves also.

The front drops when you hit auto level, you can't stop it. I guess all I can say that is how mine has worked in the past as I am not using auto again. So if you are slightly out of level after setting for a while go to manual mode and adjust to level it's that simple.

stickdog wrote:
I can tell when our trailer is out of level just by walking back to front. I'll just go to the panel and turn the system on and it will say "out of level". I hit auto level it does its thing and all is well and level. I try to not overthink things gets you into more trouble than out.

Ah, you can settle a disagreement: does the Autolevel go through its total cycle, or does it just move enough to relevel?

TIA

I can tell when our trailer is out of level just by walking back to front. I'll just go to the panel and turn the system on and it will say "out of level". I hit auto level it does its thing and all is well and level. I try to not overthink things gets you into more trouble than out.

"Manually leveling does NOT create binding of any type." And you know this how? Or just what you think? If you raise just the right rear side, which would be the middle and rear levelers, and not the front, what happens to the right front side? Won't it no longer be supported as much by the leveler at that corner?

I believe the hydraulic cylinders are rated at 8-10,000 lbs. EACH. So it would seem pretty unlikely you'll overload 50-60,000 lbs. worth of hydraulic cylinders. And can't see how manual level would be any different, the pressure is always the same.

I can't personally say whether it will recycle when AutoLevel, but have heard that it doesn't. But cannot say for sure, I've not done it when level so can't say.