rv windows

Looks like I should have ordered dual pane. The Heir windows I have, that are frameless, it appears that the manufacturer adds the second pane to the same form. So, I guess unless weight is a factor, you should get the dual pane windows to keep the noise out if nothing else. Especially if you have dogs. It might keep them quieter. A note. Keep the shades down too, so they don't see outside. Mine are terrors when it comes to getting the windows dirty with their noses. :)

gitane59 wrote:
Certain manufacturers have had a long history of dual pane window failures. DRV comes to mind. I have spoken with DRV owners who have replaced some windows twice for seal failure and resultant fogging.

That said:
Personally my dual pane windows are all 2001 vintage Newmar and not a single one has every failed or fogged up at all.
When I purchase my Newmar 5'ver used the salesperson did not show the dual pane windows nor were they ever disclosed to me in any other way so I did not knowingly pay a premium for them.
First camping trip out with new unit I kept commenting repeatedly to my DW how dead quiet inside the Newmar was. It was only after several days on the road that we opened a window and I notice the thickness and construction of the window glass with the seal between the 2 panes that I realized the unit we bought had dualpane windows.
In my experience with the sound insulating value, the lack of cold weather moisture buildup and the heating and cooling insulating values I will not have a RV without dual pane windows from now on and would pay a premium for them.

Very well put. We purchased the 04 Coachmen Somerset and it had the dual pane windows. It was never mentioned to us when we looked at the unit, when we purchased it or during the walk through, we were totally unaware that the unit had dual pane windows,, until,..like you, we noticed how much quieter it was inside, and in more remote spots, I'd turn on my stereo to have music outside and found that it really kept the sound in. We also noticed that the unit seem to heat up a tad easier and cool the unit down a tad easier. So when we purchased the 06' in my sig, one of the first things we wanted was a unit with dual pane windows. We purchased the 06 in late 07', got such a HUGE discount, that the windows, along with quite a few other options, were "free" for what we paid for this 5er.

Testimonial from gitane59, that his 01' model 5er with dual pane windows has done very well, I know the 04' Coachmen windows are all intact with no issues and my 06 is still doing very well.

Certain manufacturers have had a long history of dual pane window failures. DRV comes to mind. I have spoken with DRV owners who have replaced some windows twice for seal failure and resultant fogging.

That said:
Personally my dual pane windows are all 2001 vintage Newmar and not a single one has every failed or fogged up at all.
When I purchase my Newmar 5'ver used the salesperson did not show the dual pane windows nor were they ever disclosed to me in any other way so I did not knowingly pay a premium for them.
First camping trip out with new unit I kept commenting repeatedly to my DW how dead quiet inside the Newmar was. It was only after several days on the road that we opened a window and I notice the thickness and construction of the window glass with the seal between the 2 panes that I realized the unit we bought had dualpane windows.
In my experience with the sound insulating value, the lack of cold weather moisture buildup and the heating and cooling insulating values I will not have a RV without dual pane windows from now on and would pay a premium for them.

NJRVer wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

joelc wrote:
I have a 2012 Cameo which is a 4 season 5er. I also researched the windows and while the double pane will add some insulation, my search and advise was not to get them because of the two following reasons:
They can crack.
RV's with the double pane might have to replace them on a 7 year cycle due to problems.

They also add weight. I have the Heir frameless windows and have had no problem with them. Should you get condensation, which is likely on the inside crack open a window or vent to relieve your unit of the excess moisture. This is what I have been told. I have not had this problem yet, and have not used it in the Winter to find out.

They added a total of 200# to my 5er.. My dual pane windows came on the 06' in my signature and I've had zero problems with them in 7 (seven), years...no cracks, no condensation, no broken seals, no "smoking up" between the two panes. I'm speaking from personal experience of having owned both single pane and two 5ers' with dual pane windows. THEY DO, seem to keep it quieter inside from outside noise, (comparing from experience, no hear say)....They also seem to keep louder noise INSIDE the 5er from coming outside, again, this noticing from my own personal experience.

Now we all know that "dual pane windows" are NOT the same as "thermal pane windows", that being said, I HAVE noticed that "MY" 5er, maybe no one else's seems to cool down a little easier when it's hot and seems to warm up a little faster when it's cold..I've camped in near 100 degree weather and in temps in single digits with this 5er and have had zero issues with the windows, and though they may offer NO insulation type help, it seems to me that they STILL offer more than single pane windows...AGAIN, speaking from experience of owning MANY TT's and 5er's with single pane windows, then the last two 5er's I owned, having dual pane windows...oh, I owned an 04 Coachmen Somerset, 37' with 3 slides that has dual pane windows and a very good friend of mine purchased this 5er when I purchased the 06'....his dual pane windows are 9 yrs old and there are no problems with his either...again, just speaking from fact's, not hearsay, but from just "MY" personal experience with both single pane and dual pane windows over the years.

I would never own another unit with single pane windows unless those single pane windows have something "special" going for them....I don't have to open windows or do anything to keep condensation off the windows, and that's over Thanksgiving when the heat is on and the wife is baking a turkey, doing all the cooking with "stuff" steaming in the kitchen....no condensate on any windows....oh..........just saying...:)

Actually dual pane windows do add insulating value. The air space between the two panes is the "insulation".

Rule of thumb: single pane R1, dual pane R2, Low E coating R3, triple pane R3, etc.

This is just laymans rule of thumb R values for windows. Not going into U values, center of pane values, edge sealing, etc.

I agree that there is some insulating with these windows and mine are also darkly tinted which helps even more when it's hot outside...But I also have insulated drapes over several of my windows, including the big bay window in the back of my 5er... I also canned the sliding mirror doors in our bedroom closet and replaced with insulated drapes, less heavy, no where near as hard to keep clean and add insulation between front cap and inside of the bedroom closet..

NC Hauler wrote:

joelc wrote:
I have a 2012 Cameo which is a 4 season 5er. I also researched the windows and while the double pane will add some insulation, my search and advise was not to get them because of the two following reasons:
They can crack.
RV's with the double pane might have to replace them on a 7 year cycle due to problems.

They also add weight. I have the Heir frameless windows and have had no problem with them. Should you get condensation, which is likely on the inside crack open a window or vent to relieve your unit of the excess moisture. This is what I have been told. I have not had this problem yet, and have not used it in the Winter to find out.

They added a total of 200# to my 5er.. My dual pane windows came on the 06' in my signature and I've had zero problems with them in 7 (seven), years...no cracks, no condensation, no broken seals, no "smoking up" between the two panes. I'm speaking from personal experience of having owned both single pane and two 5ers' with dual pane windows. THEY DO, seem to keep it quieter inside from outside noise, (comparing from experience, no hear say)....They also seem to keep louder noise INSIDE the 5er from coming outside, again, this noticing from my own personal experience.

Now we all know that "dual pane windows" are NOT the same as "thermal pane windows", that being said, I HAVE noticed that "MY" 5er, maybe no one else's seems to cool down a little easier when it's hot and seems to warm up a little faster when it's cold..I've camped in near 100 degree weather and in temps in single digits with this 5er and have had zero issues with the windows, and though they may offer NO insulation type help, it seems to me that they STILL offer more than single pane windows...AGAIN, speaking from experience of owning MANY TT's and 5er's with single pane windows, then the last two 5er's I owned, having dual pane windows...oh, I owned an 04 Coachmen Somerset, 37' with 3 slides that has dual pane windows and a very good friend of mine purchased this 5er when I purchased the 06'....his dual pane windows are 9 yrs old and there are no problems with his either...again, just speaking from fact's, not hearsay, but from just "MY" personal experience with both single pane and dual pane windows over the years.

I would never own another unit with single pane windows unless those single pane windows have something "special" going for them....I don't have to open windows or do anything to keep condensation off the windows, and that's over Thanksgiving when the heat is on and the wife is baking a turkey, doing all the cooking with "stuff" steaming in the kitchen....no condensate on any windows....oh..........just saying...:)

Actually dual pane windows do add insulating value. The air space between the two panes is the "insulation".

Rule of thumb: single pane R1, dual pane R2, Low E coating R3, triple pane R3, etc.

This is just laymans rule of thumb R values for windows. Not going into U values, center of pane values, edge sealing, etc.

Our frameless insulated windows are Kinro. They seem like nice windows an do keep out the noise compared to our last rig. We haven't been in extreme weather yet to really judge the thermal resistance.

I have heard that Kinro is the window of choice for most RVs now and if you break one it can be a while to get a replacement. The production demand seems to be overwhelming for several suppliers right now.

kakampers wrote:
Our frame less windows are dual pane...made by Kinro.

Our frameless windows are also dual pane. But I have no idea who makes them. We also have a few HEHR dual panes on the slideouts.

joelc wrote:
I have a 2012 Cameo which is a 4 season 5er. I also researched the windows and while the double pane will add some insulation, my search and advise was not to get them because of the two following reasons:
They can crack.
RV's with the double pane might have to replace them on a 7 year cycle due to problems.

They also add weight. I have the Heir frameless windows and have had no problem with them. Should you get condensation, which is likely on the inside crack open a window or vent to relieve your unit of the excess moisture. This is what I have been told. I have not had this problem yet, and have not used it in the Winter to find out.

They added a total of 200# to my 5er.. My dual pane windows came on the 06' in my signature and I've had zero problems with them in 7 (seven), years...no cracks, no condensation, no broken seals, no "smoking up" between the two panes. I'm speaking from personal experience of having owned both single pane and two 5ers' with dual pane windows. THEY DO, seem to keep it quieter inside from outside noise, (comparing from experience, no hear say)....They also seem to keep louder noise INSIDE the 5er from coming outside, again, this noticing from my own personal experience.

Now we all know that "dual pane windows" are NOT the same as "thermal pane windows", that being said, I HAVE noticed that "MY" 5er, maybe no one else's seems to cool down a little easier when it's hot and seems to warm up a little faster when it's cold..I've camped in near 100 degree weather and in temps in single digits with this 5er and have had zero issues with the windows, and though they may offer NO insulation type help, it seems to me that they STILL offer more than single pane windows...AGAIN, speaking from experience of owning MANY TT's and 5er's with single pane windows, then the last two 5er's I owned, having dual pane windows...oh, I owned an 04 Coachmen Somerset, 37' with 3 slides that has dual pane windows and a very good friend of mine purchased this 5er when I purchased the 06'....his dual pane windows are 9 yrs old and there are no problems with his either...again, just speaking from fact's, not hearsay, but from just "MY" personal experience with both single pane and dual pane windows over the years.

I would never own another unit with single pane windows unless those single pane windows have something "special" going for them....I don't have to open windows or do anything to keep condensation off the windows, and that's over Thanksgiving when the heat is on and the wife is baking a turkey, doing all the cooking with "stuff" steaming in the kitchen....no condensate on any windows....oh..........just saying...:)

I have a 2012 Cameo which is a 4 season 5er. I also researched the windows and while the double pane will add some insulation, my search and advise was not to get them because of the two following reasons:
They can crack.
RV's with the double pane might have to replace them on a 7 year cycle due to problems.

They also add weight. I have the Heir frameless windows and have had no problem with them. Should you get condensation, which is likely on the inside crack open a window or vent to relieve your unit of the excess moisture. This is what I have been told. I have not had this problem yet, and have not used it in the Winter to find out.

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