So light a child can remove it from the truck

If you look at original Andersen Ultimate preview video from Jan.15.2015, the 12 min. Version, the one with a lot of amature acting in the video, after the crush test, the do a gopro style video aimed at the hitch hauling a very heavy gooseneck using the crushed prototype. You can check out the fore/aft there.

Jerry B wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

Jerry B wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

psuce wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Think about the weight that is applied when the brakes are hit hard and winging over some of these overpasses the hitch IS pushing fore and aft and it will and does deflect the bed. I have dents to prove it in the 11 I just traded. Once I installed the strips the deflection stopped!

Makes sense there would be fore and aft forces applied during travel, I was speaking more generally about the vertical load and carrying capacities. B&W must have realized the issue via testing or real world exposure and corrected it by providing the strips. The strips now provide a solid/compressible contact point between the fifth wheel hitch and the gooseneck hitch and "bottom" corrugations, and not the "top" corrugations which could be dented. If it happened using the B&W, then the possibility is there that it would happen using the Anderson also, since it sits on top of the corrugations.

Andersen emphasizes the downward force in their videos. I think people need to consider what happens to the hitch and bed when a RV is pushing and pulling. There are times when it feels like the RV is going to rip the hitch right out of my truck it is so violent under some conditions.

I too was surprised to see Anderson only discuss downward crushing force. Fore and aft shearing forces are more paramount than vertical forces. I think they may be blowing a little smoke there. I take steel anytime over aluminum.

I tried to explain the crushing test ,and its relationship to fore ,and aft movement, and I would do it again , but I am afraid it just falls on deaf ears. Let me put it to you in a very simple way, bracing is a wonderful thing, get yourself educated , and then take a look at how the Andersen is fabricated

If you would like, I can do a stress 'finite analysis' and show you are also blowing smoke. Get educated then we will talk.

That would be awesome, I will wait to see the results. I'm sure I have blown smoke before, but always ready to hear from an expert.

up2nogood wrote:

Jerry B wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

psuce wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Think about the weight that is applied when the brakes are hit hard and winging over some of these overpasses the hitch IS pushing fore and aft and it will and does deflect the bed. I have dents to prove it in the 11 I just traded. Once I installed the strips the deflection stopped!

Makes sense there would be fore and aft forces applied during travel, I was speaking more generally about the vertical load and carrying capacities. B&W must have realized the issue via testing or real world exposure and corrected it by providing the strips. The strips now provide a solid/compressible contact point between the fifth wheel hitch and the gooseneck hitch and "bottom" corrugations, and not the "top" corrugations which could be dented. If it happened using the B&W, then the possibility is there that it would happen using the Anderson also, since it sits on top of the corrugations.

Andersen emphasizes the downward force in their videos. I think people need to consider what happens to the hitch and bed when a RV is pushing and pulling. There are times when it feels like the RV is going to rip the hitch right out of my truck it is so violent under some conditions.

I too was surprised to see Anderson only discuss downward crushing force. Fore and aft shearing forces are more paramount than vertical forces. I think they may be blowing a little smoke there. I take steel anytime over aluminum.

I tried to explain the crushing test ,and its relationship to fore ,and aft movement, and I would do it again , but I am afraid it just falls on deaf ears. Let me put it to you in a very simple way, bracing is a wonderful thing, get yourself educated , and then take a look at how the Andersen is fabricated

If you would like, I can do a stress 'finite analysis' and show you are also blowing smoke. Get educated then we will talk.

There is no doubt that setup like the new RAMs and others have with four pucks that lock into the factory mounts on the frame is the best of best. Everything less now a days is a compromise! We had a boat years ago named "The Compromise"! I wanted a bigger one and DW wanted a smaller one, so we compromised!

Hitches are no different both the B&W and Anderson that get pulled down the the bed floor via the a gooseneck ball are compromises. Go ask RAM, Ford, GM, Anderson, or B&W if they will warranty the bed if it is deformed or dented????

Chris

I'm confused now,

I thought we were discussing technology and gaining reports from actual users...hardly zealots.

Yes, we tease Cummins for his advocacy of B&W...but really, who can blame him...its a fantastic Made In America line of products... And the company is outstanding in their treatment of employees.

Andersen is another great American Company who produces their own products right here in the USA...they use Aluminum in their products...and the Andersen Ultimate Fifth wheel has proven itself strong and reliable.

Both of these companies are fantastic and I would have no qualms with either.

Fifth wheel rails (over bed or under bed) do provide a wider footprint directly to the trucks frame...and given the personal choice I would choose fifth wheel rails over the gooseneck set up. But there is no denying that the gooseneck to fifth wheel adapters are a viable option for pulling fivers.

Russ you mentioned the Patriot... I really like the Patriot 18k rail version. It's great hitch. I also appreciate the Reese dual jaw design...it gets a TON of flack on this forum but in the end you are right...the pivot point on the jaws means that the harder the king pin pulls on the jaws the tighter they close.

I think the locking cam design of the B&W is superior to Reese's pot metal lock and I think that's where the real difference comes to play.

Cummins, you have a great looking set up...congrats on the truck and the hitch...both of them could pass for art...I even like the Cowboy interior on your truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Cummins12V98 wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:

Me Again wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I guarantee his bed is deflecting as mine did with my B&W without spacers! His MS is even heavier than mine. I did not notice the dents until I removed the hitch.

Most of us know what happens to metal when it flexes over time.

Anyone with a GoPro willing to do a video of their Anderson hitch on the road like the B&W video linked earlier? How about ranchertx, yours is a heaby trailer. Might be able to do it with a smart phone and some duc tape. Chris

I would like to see that video of the Andersen as well. Great idea.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

While the B&W is a well made hitch, depending on the bed floor support for the Companion and the Anderson is one of the reasons I would never have either.

In the Rah, Rah group, Cummins you are so far behind these Anderson Ultimate zealots , it isn't funny.

I might think about the B&W Patriot, or puck system in a newer TV, but still don't like the jaws opening to the rear.

If I wanted to deal with a ball hitch, I would get a true GN adapter, and reinforce the 5er frame.

To each their own, I will continue to use my good old Reese 16K twin jaw that is connected to the TV's FRAME at four points.

The design of the Reese twin cam is such the harder you pull the tighter the jaws close!

I'm all past that bed deflecting BIZ. LOCKED and LOADED BABY :B

That is better!!

Nice looking hitch setup!!

rhagfo wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:

Me Again wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I guarantee his bed is deflecting as mine did with my B&W without spacers! His MS is even heavier than mine. I did not notice the dents until I removed the hitch.

Most of us know what happens to metal when it flexes over time.

Anyone with a GoPro willing to do a video of their Anderson hitch on the road like the B&W video linked earlier? How about ranchertx, yours is a heaby trailer. Might be able to do it with a smart phone and some duc tape. Chris

I would like to see that video of the Andersen as well. Great idea.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

While the B&W is a well made hitch, depending on the bed floor support for the Companion and the Anderson is one of the reasons I would never have either.

In the Rah, Rah group, Cummins you are so far behind these Anderson Ultimate zealots , it isn't funny.

I might think about the B&W Patriot, or puck system in a newer TV, but still don't like the jaws opening to the rear.

If I wanted to deal with a ball hitch, I would get a true GN adapter, and reinforce the 5er frame.

To each their own, I will continue to use my good old Reese 16K twin jaw that is connected to the TV's FRAME at four points.

The design of the Reese twin cam is such the harder you pull the tighter the jaws close!

I'm all past that bed deflecting BIZ. LOCKED and LOADED BABY :B

jerem0621 wrote:

Me Again wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I guarantee his bed is deflecting as mine did with my B&W without spacers! His MS is even heavier than mine. I did not notice the dents until I removed the hitch.

Most of us know what happens to metal when it flexes over time.

Anyone with a GoPro willing to do a video of their Anderson hitch on the road like the B&W video linked earlier? How about ranchertx, yours is a heaby trailer. Might be able to do it with a smart phone and some duc tape. Chris

I would like to see that video of the Andersen as well. Great idea.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

While the B&W is a well made hitch, depending on the bed floor support for the Companion and the Anderson is one of the reasons I would never have either.

In the Rah, Rah group, Cummins you are so far behind these Anderson Ultimate zealots , it isn't funny.

I might think about the B&W Patriot, or puck system in a newer TV, but still don't like the jaws opening to the rear.

If I wanted to deal with a ball hitch, I would get a true GN adapter, and reinforce the 5er frame.

To each their own, I will continue to use my good old Reese 16K twin jaw that is connected to the TV's FRAME at four points.

The design of the Reese twin cam is such the harder you pull the tighter the jaws close!

Me Again wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I guarantee his bed is deflecting as mine did with my B&W without spacers! His MS is even heavier than mine. I did not notice the dents until I removed the hitch.

Most of us know what happens to metal when it flexes over time.

Anyone with a GoPro willing to do a video of their Anderson hitch on the road like the B&W video linked earlier? How about ranchertx, yours is a heaby trailer. Might be able to do it with a smart phone and some duc tape. Chris

I would like to see that video of the Andersen as well. Great idea.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I guarantee his bed is deflecting as mine did with my B&W without spacers! His MS is even heavier than mine. I did not notice the dents until I removed the hitch.

Most of us know what happens to metal when it flexes over time.

Anyone with a GoPro willing to do a video of their Anderson hitch on the road like the B&W video linked earlier? How about ranchertx, yours is a heavy trailer. Might be able to do it with a smart phone and some duc tape. Chris