Towing 39 ft 15.5 k with 1ton Sw diesel - Mistake ??

kaydeejay wrote:

rhagfo wrote:
God are missing the point of the post!
In the late 2000's and early 2000 teens, manufactures were increasing the GVWR and towing capacity of their truck just by changing the GVWR on the VIN plate.

Just go compare the frames and brakes of the later trucks with the earlier 2000s generation. GVWR isn't simply an axle/tire rating.

I agree it isn't about tire and axle ratings, BUT before about 2010 most of the GVWR tow capacity increases were just umber changes! About 2010 GM did a frame revision and brakes and springs, RAM followed in 2013. Do we all remember the year that Ram wasn't invited to the Ike because it didn't have the rated tow capacity to compete with GM and Ford?
Now Ford needs to use an F450 to compete with GM and RAM! Yes in the last several years some real changes, but before that it was mostly a numbers game!!

Tom/Barb, you can give constructive criticism as long as you know all the facts...and you didn't.

I was about 6 cars back on I40 in Asheville NC when a full size SUV had his TT "wag the dog"..wreck killed the drivers teenage son..it was tragic..Made me EVEN more of a weight police after that, but Ive6 been called a lot worse...safety is my number 1 concern and I KNOW all my weights and my trucks capabilities, its obvious that you know little to nothing about
2013 and up, GM/Chevy, Ram and Ford 350/3500 dually capabilities, their GVWRs, GCWRs, RAWRs, EBs, etc. AGAIN, Im as safe, if not more so, towing my 5er with my truck than you driving your MH.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

bobandvicki wrote:
Was assured that my TV 04 f350 kg ranch PSD SB 6.0L 4x4
would be up to the task.Hate to trade it in but need to be safe. What do you think? What TV do you use for a similar 5er? Been rving 11 months a year for the last
9 years and should know better than trust the dealer.
Look forward to your input. Bob

Pulling close to 15,000 pounds I'd want the safety margin of a 450/4500. you will see the ranchers, and car transporters, using the 450/4500 series trucks to haul the fifth wheel cattle and car trailers, they know.

When was the last time you looked at specs of the newer 350/3500 duallys? Appears you're a bit out of touch. As Chris stated there are 1 ton SRW trucks that will tow a 15,000# 5er. MY 1 ton dually has a RAWR of 9750#, has a GVWR of 14,000# and an idiotic GCWR, with 4.10 of 37,500#! So no, OP doesn't need a 450/4500 to tow a 15000# 5er, but his older 1 ton SRW might be over loaded, and a newer 1 ton SRW 350/3500 would easily handle his 5er. Heck, the newer 3/4 ton trucks could probably handle it depending on how configured.

You can walk as close to the edge as you like and go with out any safety margin for as many miles as you like, I won't because I've seen too many accidents caused by not having enough truck to do the job. When you are going to work a truck, get a truck built to work. The kinetic energy of a 15k trailer built up behind a truck towing at 60MPH is huge, your suburban garbage hauler will be over powered in a nano second when thing go sour.

Now I KNOW you have no idea what you're talking about, a suburban garbage hauler?!?..now youre dilussional. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Some of the new 3500 duallys have more HP & TQ than a 450/4500, and can tow far more then YOU are aware of. My 5er weighs in at 16,300#. I have a pin weight of 3400#. Im UNDER my trucks GVWR by 1200#.. and WAY under my trucks RAWR, (thats a pretty big hunk of safety margin, and with a combined weight of 25,500#, Im under GCWR by 12,000#!!) I've been towing since 75, and know a little bit about all the equations too. Op doesn't need a 450/4500 to tow a 15,000# 5er. You need to do more research on the new trucks. With 385HP, 850lbft of TQ and a medium duty tranny strapped to a medium duty diesel, Im just as safe, if not more so than you are...Do the research, you're behind the times. Safety is ALWAYS my first concern.

Your truck numbers are for how much it can carry and how much it can pull. Neither tells you how much it will stop. About 3-4 years ago, I-5 at Marysville Wa. a 350 Ford dually was pulling a 5th wheel in the left lane, traffic went to hell in front of him, he hit the brakes and the trailer pushed him into 3 cars in front of him, and then jack knifed, then the trailer rolled over the truck across the median, and hit 2 cars in the north bound lane. he and his wife died that day as well as 3 others. his truck was well under the load recommendations of the manufacturer. 5th wheel haulers are built for a reason you haven't figured out yet. and probably never will.

I live in that area that was sad. That is flat level road. Things happen beyond your control at times. Lots of semis crash along there too.

That was a SRW not a dually, he was illegally in the hammer lane(6 lane FWs in Washington restrict towing in the fast lane) doing 70 when traffic backed up. Driver and wife did not die, just three people going the other direction. I do not believe he hit any of the South bound vehicles ahead of him as he went for the median. He received a 485 dollar fine about 6 months later. Not sure if there was civil action against him.

Speed limit in that area was lowered to 60 MPH after that accident.

Chris

Think this guy had too much truck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwOqARlw1EI

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I live in that area that was sad. That is flat level road. Things happen beyond your control at times. Lots of semis crash along there too.

A lot went wrong that day for the couple who died. I was 4 cars back and the first thing I had noticed was the lights on the trailer were not working. Plus he was in the left lane, and exceeding the 60 MPH limit. When he hit the brakes, that truck jack knifed in less than a heart beat.

I must remember to never criticize a guys truck, it amounts to beating his wife or dog.

lcv800 wrote:
Good morning. My 2015 diesel dually F350 is tow rated at 23,500 with goose neck/5th wheel towing. I pull my 44' Voltage (maximum weight listed at 19,500) without an issue. As I'm sure we all do, I exercise extra caution when towing, leaving as much an interval between vehicles as possible. Despite this, I've still had quasi-emergency stops, but have never had an issue. Well maintained vehicles (brakes and tires especially) are the key. If you're not comfortable, make the transition and put disc brakes on your trailer. Not that cost prohibitive. Have a safe and happy fourth.
Rusty

I have a 2015 F-350 with 4.3 gear ratio with my Voltage 3950....I chose this package because the CCC was actually higher than the F-450...I was not too stressed about the max trailer weight, as I won't be towing 30,000 or ore pounds....

Cale

NC Hauler wrote:
Ron, Im afraid to tow much more than some trash with mine now:B And to think Ive been towing only 16,300# of 5er on some 7% grades, and higher on seconday mountainous roads for over 2 years...what was I thinking!?!

My Man you are lucky to be alive!

Tom/Barb wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

bobandvicki wrote:
Was assured that my TV 04 f350 kg ranch PSD SB 6.0L 4x4
would be up to the task.Hate to trade it in but need to be safe. What do you think? What TV do you use for a similar 5er? Been rving 11 months a year for the last
9 years and should know better than trust the dealer.
Look forward to your input. Bob

Pulling close to 15,000 pounds I'd want the safety margin of a 450/4500. you will see the ranchers, and car transporters, using the 450/4500 series trucks to haul the fifth wheel cattle and car trailers, they know.

When was the last time you looked at specs of the newer 350/3500 duallys? Appears you're a bit out of touch. As Chris stated there are 1 ton SRW trucks that will tow a 15,000# 5er. MY 1 ton dually has a RAWR of 9750#, has a GVWR of 14,000# and an idiotic GCWR, with 4.10 of 37,500#! So no, OP doesn't need a 450/4500 to tow a 15000# 5er, but his older 1 ton SRW might be over loaded, and a newer 1 ton SRW 350/3500 would easily handle his 5er. Heck, the newer 3/4 ton trucks could probably handle it depending on how configured.

You can walk as close to the edge as you like and go with out any safety margin for as many miles as you like, I won't because I've seen too many accidents caused by not having enough truck to do the job. When you are going to work a truck, get a truck built to work. The kinetic energy of a 15k trailer built up behind a truck towing at 60MPH is huge, your suburban garbage hauler will be over powered in a nano second when thing go sour.

Now I KNOW you have no idea what you're talking about, a suburban garbage hauler?!?..now youre dilussional. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Some of the new 3500 duallys have more HP & TQ than a 450/4500, and can tow far more then YOU are aware of. My 5er weighs in at 16,300#. I have a pin weight of 3400#. Im UNDER my trucks GVWR by 1200#.. and WAY under my trucks RAWR, (thats a pretty big hunk of safety margin, and with a combined weight of 25,500#, Im under GCWR by 12,000#!!) I've been towing since 75, and know a little bit about all the equations too. Op doesn't need a 450/4500 to tow a 15,000# 5er. You need to do more research on the new trucks. With 385HP, 850lbft of TQ and a medium duty tranny strapped to a medium duty diesel, Im just as safe, if not more so than you are...Do the research, you're behind the times. Safety is ALWAYS my first concern.

Your truck numbers are for how much it can carry and how much it can pull. Neither tells you how much it will stop. About 3-4 years ago, I-5 at Marysville Wa. a 350 Ford dually was pulling a 5th wheel in the left lane, traffic went to hell in front of him, he hit the brakes and the trailer pushed him into 3 cars in front of him, and then jack knifed, then the trailer rolled over the truck across the median, and hit 2 cars in the north bound lane. he and his wife died that day as well as 3 others. his truck was well under the load recommendations of the manufacturer. 5th wheel haulers are built for a reason you haven't figured out yet. and probably never will.

I live in that area that was sad. That is flat level road. Things happen beyond your control at times. Lots of semis crash along there too.

Ron, Im afraid to tow much more than some trash with mine now:B And to think Ive been towing only 16,300# of 5er on some 7% grades, and higher on seconday mountainous roads for over 2 years...what was I thinking!?!

Tom/Barb wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:

bobandvicki wrote:
Was assured that my TV 04 f350 kg ranch PSD SB 6.0L 4x4
would be up to the task.Hate to trade it in but need to be safe. What do you think? What TV do you use for a similar 5er? Been rving 11 months a year for the last
9 years and should know better than trust the dealer.
Look forward to your input. Bob

Pulling close to 15,000 pounds I'd want the safety margin of a 450/4500. you will see the ranchers, and car transporters, using the 450/4500 series trucks to haul the fifth wheel cattle and car trailers, they know.

When was the last time you looked at specs of the newer 350/3500 duallys? Appears you're a bit out of touch. As Chris stated there are 1 ton SRW trucks that will tow a 15,000# 5er. MY 1 ton dually has a RAWR of 9750#, has a GVWR of 14,000# and an idiotic GCWR, with 4.10 of 37,500#! So no, OP doesn't need a 450/4500 to tow a 15000# 5er, but his older 1 ton SRW might be over loaded, and a newer 1 ton SRW 350/3500 would easily handle his 5er. Heck, the newer 3/4 ton trucks could probably handle it depending on how configured.

You can walk as close to the edge as you like and go with out any safety margin for as many miles as you like, I won't because I've seen too many accidents caused by not having enough truck to do the job. When you are going to work a truck, get a truck built to work. The kinetic energy of a 15k trailer built up behind a truck towing at 60MPH is huge, your suburban garbage hauler will be over powered in a nano second when thing go sour.

My "garbage hauler" did quite well yesterday towing our MS with a combined 32,540#. Handeled the steep grades up and down.