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Jul 25, 2013

Towing this with 3/4 ton

Looking for thoughts on how this would behave: 2013 F250 diesel crew cab (short bed 4x4) pull rite slider From Ford Spec sheet: GVWR 10,000# Max payload: 3240# Max 5th wheel trailer weight 15,...
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BobWanderer wrote:
tgreening wrote:
allcool wrote:


If used right, on the new Fords, don't even have to touch the brakes.
Put the cruise control on and set it for say 45mph(or whatever is appropriate), and in combination with the exh brake, no need to ever glaze the brake pads.

jmo




With 17K on the back, coming down out of Crawford Notch might have something to say about that. :)


Or coming down 9 mile canyon from Kennedy Meadows where speeds are usually less than 20 MPH. Your gonna burn up the brakes or tranny with much more than that.
Steep road, tight turns, narrow roadway and no guard rails.
I know a few others who have been up there and can back up my statements.

I know Crawford notch well. Piece of cake for a new 2013 Ford,,,lol.

Not familiar with Kennedy Meadows,sounds like a challenging grade...
But, but did say...
"Put the cruise control on and set it for say 45mph or whatever is appropriate" Might add, make sure its in tow haul mode also, so exh brake is working.
20mph is to slow to use cruise control, don't think it will activate at that slow speed. To bad because it does away with all the guessing. Not that its hard to be a knowledgeable truck driver and be able to choose the correct gear for the appropriate situation. Along with the exh brake, should be fine and not have to glaze your brakes to safely negotiate any road, if you know how to drive/tow with 'NEW' breed of trucks. These new exh brakes work awesome imo. Not sure if your 2008 trucks have them...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfz8LAM1xs

Don't get me wrong, not saying some of these downhill grades aren't very challenging or don't take a skilled knowledgeable driver, or don't tax ones nerves. Just that with the new trucks shouldn't have to ride your brakes hard enough to glaze/smoke them.

I am a Chevy guy, but lately been towing with the new (2012>) Fords. Sorry to say, they do this downhill thing much better than the new Chevys. On any given trip, I have my choice of any of the big 3 to tow with. And have towed with them all. All brand new trucks. I choose Ford ps to tow with, and a Chevy LTZ gas for my personal every day driver. I do like how the Chevy drives/rides better than the solid axle Fords, but...
Try a new Ford next time you tow a big heavy load, I'm betting you'll agree...

jmo

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2013 F250 diesel crew cab (short bed 4x4)
pull rite slider

From Ford Spec sheet:
GVWR 10,000#
Max payload: 3240#
Max 5th wheel trailer weight 15,900

Looking at buying a 2005 Jayco Talon 36Z
The specs I have found from a Jayco spec sheet:
Dry weight: 10,500#
Dry pin weight: 2,495#
Gross weight 14,900#

I will verify these numbers with Jayco when I get VIN # from seller.
By the book this is \"legal\" combo. Pin weight may get high if fully loaded, but most of the weight would likely be behind the axles in the garage and not add much in terms of pin weight. I would think that with 2000# of gear in the trailer I would be approaching the limits of pin weight considering people and gear in the truck.

Thoughts from people that have done something similar?","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2013-07-25T13:40:24.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Toy Haulers","text":"Toy Haulers","time":"2006-02-10T06:04:12.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:623934_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":16658},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"body":"Looking for thoughts on how this would behave:
2013 F250 diesel crew cab (short bed 4x4)
pull rite slider

From Ford Spec sheet:
GVWR 10,000#
Max payload: 3240#
Max 5th wheel trailer weight 15,900

Looking at buying a 2005 Jayco Talon 36Z
The specs I have found from a Jayco spec sheet:
Dry weight: 10,500#
Dry pin weight: 2,495#
Gross weight 14,900#

I will verify these numbers with Jayco when I get VIN # from seller.
By the book this is \"legal\" combo. Pin weight may get high if fully loaded, but most of the weight would likely be behind the axles in the garage and not add much in terms of pin weight. I would think that with 2000# of gear in the trailer I would be approaching the limits of pin weight considering people and gear in the truck.

Thoughts from people that have done something similar?","customFields":[]},"Conversation:conversation:623934":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:623934","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:623934"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2013-08-10T16:01:35.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2013-08-10T16:01:35.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":80,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:623934":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:623934","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:623934_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:623934_1","lastEditTime":"2013-07-25T13:40:24.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:624009":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:624009","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:623934"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:127"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":624009,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"subject":"Re: Towing this with 3/4 ton","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:624009"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:623934"},"body":"
BobWanderer wrote:
tgreening wrote:
allcool wrote:


If used right, on the new Fords, don't even have to touch the brakes.
Put the cruise control on and set it for say 45mph(or whatever is appropriate), and in combination with the exh brake, no need to ever glaze the brake pads.

jmo




With 17K on the back, coming down out of Crawford Notch might have something to say about that. :)


Or coming down 9 mile canyon from Kennedy Meadows where speeds are usually less than 20 MPH. Your gonna burn up the brakes or tranny with much more than that.
Steep road, tight turns, narrow roadway and no guard rails.
I know a few others who have been up there and can back up my statements.

I know Crawford notch well. Piece of cake for a new 2013 Ford,,,lol.

Not familiar with Kennedy Meadows,sounds like a challenging grade...
But, but did say...
\"Put the cruise control on and set it for say 45mph or whatever is appropriate\" Might add, make sure its in tow haul mode also, so exh brake is working.
20mph is to slow to use cruise control, don't think it will activate at that slow speed. To bad because it does away with all the guessing. Not that its hard to be a knowledgeable truck driver and be able to choose the correct gear for the appropriate situation. Along with the exh brake, should be fine and not have to glaze your brakes to safely negotiate any road, if you know how to drive/tow with 'NEW' breed of trucks. These new exh brakes work awesome imo. Not sure if your 2008 trucks have them...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfz8LAM1xs

Don't get me wrong, not saying some of these downhill grades aren't very challenging or don't take a skilled knowledgeable driver, or don't tax ones nerves. Just that with the new trucks shouldn't have to ride your brakes hard enough to glaze/smoke them.

I am a Chevy guy, but lately been towing with the new (2012>) Fords. Sorry to say, they do this downhill thing much better than the new Chevys. On any given trip, I have my choice of any of the big 3 to tow with. And have towed with them all. All brand new trucks. I choose Ford ps to tow with, and a Chevy LTZ gas for my personal every day driver. I do like how the Chevy drives/rides better than the solid axle Fords, but...
Try a new Ford next time you tow a big heavy load, I'm betting you'll agree...

jmo","body@stringLength":"2559","rawBody":"
BobWanderer wrote:
tgreening wrote:
allcool wrote:


If used right, on the new Fords, don't even have to touch the brakes.
Put the cruise control on and set it for say 45mph(or whatever is appropriate), and in combination with the exh brake, no need to ever glaze the brake pads.

jmo




With 17K on the back, coming down out of Crawford Notch might have something to say about that. :)


Or coming down 9 mile canyon from Kennedy Meadows where speeds are usually less than 20 MPH. Your gonna burn up the brakes or tranny with much more than that.
Steep road, tight turns, narrow roadway and no guard rails.
I know a few others who have been up there and can back up my statements.

I know Crawford notch well. Piece of cake for a new 2013 Ford,,,lol.

Not familiar with Kennedy Meadows,sounds like a challenging grade...
But, but did say...
\"Put the cruise control on and set it for say 45mph or whatever is appropriate\" Might add, make sure its in tow haul mode also, so exh brake is working.
20mph is to slow to use cruise control, don't think it will activate at that slow speed. To bad because it does away with all the guessing. Not that its hard to be a knowledgeable truck driver and be able to choose the correct gear for the appropriate situation. Along with the exh brake, should be fine and not have to glaze your brakes to safely negotiate any road, if you know how to drive/tow with 'NEW' breed of trucks. These new exh brakes work awesome imo. Not sure if your 2008 trucks have them...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfz8LAM1xs

Don't get me wrong, not saying some of these downhill grades aren't very challenging or don't take a skilled knowledgeable driver, or don't tax ones nerves. Just that with the new trucks shouldn't have to ride your brakes hard enough to glaze/smoke them.

I am a Chevy guy, but lately been towing with the new (2012>) Fords. Sorry to say, they do this downhill thing much better than the new Chevys. On any given trip, I have my choice of any of the big 3 to tow with. And have towed with them all. All brand new trucks. I choose Ford ps to tow with, and a Chevy LTZ gas for my personal every day driver. I do like how the Chevy drives/rides better than the solid axle Fords, but...
Try a new Ford next time you tow a big heavy load, I'm betting you'll agree...

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