Towmax blown tires

ol Bombero-JC wrote:


Gotta give FE credit (at least on this one) for posting the link to Mark Bruss' info..:C

Mark can be found on the Escapees HDT forum - along with a lot of folks towing *heavy* fifth wheels, with a wealth of knowledge, background, and experience. (Jack Mayer is another)

Also a good place to try a search on GY G614 "comments".

BTW - Maxxis *is* a good solution for 15" wheels - 'cause it's just about the *only* solution!.:R

Other than that - all the "kudos" from/about Maxxis (Chen Shin Rubber Co) would be comparable to posting Marathon info from Goodyear..:R

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Yep, even old Calvin was going to switch to 17.5 rims and tires until it was pointed out to him that he could no longer promote ST tires if he finally threw the towel in at 22 or 24 tires on one trailer.

Chris

FastEagle wrote:

lakatoc wrote:
We have a Keystone toyhauler Raptor 36 feet with dual axles holding 7000 pounds each. We do not carry any toys so we are not at maximum weight. We do not exceed 65 mph.

With 7000# axles you don’t have a lot of options. Here are a few in this reference.

Look Here

FastEagle

Gotta give FE credit (at least on this one) for posting the link to Mark Bruss' info..:C

Mark can be found on the Escapees HDT forum - along with a lot of folks towing *heavy* fifth wheels, with a wealth of knowledge, background, and experience. (Jack Mayer is another)

Also a good place to try a search on GY G614 "comments".

BTW - Maxxis *is* a good solution for 15" wheels - 'cause it's just about the *only* solution!.:R

Other than that - all the "kudos" from/about Maxxis (Chen Shin Rubber Co) would be comparable to posting Marathon info from Goodyear..:R

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lakatoc wrote:
We have a Keystone toyhauler Raptor 36 feet with dual axles holding 7000 pounds each. We do not carry any toys so we are not at maximum weight. We do not exceed 65 mph.

With 7000# axles you don’t have a lot of options. Here are a few in this reference.

Look Here

FastEagle

donn0128 wrote:
Chris,
There is no use in arguing with him. We all know his story. What we dont know at this point in time is what his tire failure number is today! Is it 20,30,40? We simply dont know because when asked he disappears from the thread until the next tire thread where he can continue his ranting about how great ST tires,are and how LT tires are inferior and should never be installed on trailers.

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Me Again wrote:
Can you please explain why the M8008ST beside being built heavy gets better ratings for the users than the bunch of 35 pounds. In the other tire thread about the ST Maxmiler getting good reports, we have yet again an ST tire that is built heavier like the M800ST Maxxis, yet you continue to dismiss more robust ST offerings.

Chris

When doing trend analysis one must take into account the equality of the comparisons.

The Maxxis M8008 is seldom used by any high volume RV Trailer manufacturers. I would venture to say their M8009 bias tires are used as OE as much or more often. Therefore the numbers for any type of analysis must be skewed.

Many of the champions of the Maxxis brand ST tires may have added a load range with the Maxxis replacemednts. Skewed again.

A great number of OE ST tires are already at risk from the manufacturer because of fitment practices that place them very close to their maximum load capacity, all the time.

Numerous first time RV trailer owners never heard of 65 MPH speed indexed tires. What speed do you think they travel at on those interstate highways with speed limits of 70-75 MPH? Lots of RVers travel within some kind of time constraints and will speed when they think it’s necessary.

Maxxis tires do not have the same feedback as other ST tires that are widely used as OE tires by large volume RV manufacturers.

FastEagle

Donn, sad but true! He does a dis-service to so many going around promoting such an inferior product as if someone pays him! He routinely blames ST failures on people not knowing how to maintain their tires. Calls on Barry at one point and at another point says all he does is talk in generalities!

One can not have it both ways. That is have a personal terrible track record with the tire type, claim to be very knowledgeable on the subject, and try to sell everyone far and wide to gut it out like he has, and not have people questions his motive!!

Chris

Chris
IMO CapriRacer was referring to Maxxis ST tire line up which was the subject line. Even Maxxis 1-800 tire tech guy had no idea trailers also came with LT and P tires. Now that is a newby.
He even gave a thumbs down on using their commercial grade Bravo U-168 LT tires on a trailer.
Both Maxxis dealers in my area push them over the ST8008 when applicable. One dealer was a Firestone dealer for years and the other sold Cooper tires before taking up the Maxxis brand. Both dealers have been around and understand the needs of a good tire for a particular trailer unlike some tire dealers that simply sells what the manufacturer pushes.

Chris,
There is no use in arguing with him. We all know his story. What we dont know at this point in time is what his tire failure number is today! Is it 20,30,40? We simply dont know because when asked he disappears from the thread until the next tire thread where he can continue his ranting about how great ST tires,are and how LT tires are inferior and should never be installed on trailers.

Have it weighed, if you are over 6000 lbs on the axles you will be over the limit of LT tires. Your best bet would be the Goodyear G614's. Yeah they are gonna cost you but what is the alternative, blow tires or get on down the road. I think if you change to the GY tires you will be fine. Yes you can go to the 17' tires and wheels but that would cost a whole bunch more. But one thing is for sure, if you stay with ST tires the blowouts will continue, espcially at your weight.

FastEagle wrote:
I wish someone with CapriRacer’s experience would explain the mechanics of tire weight to Me Again.

It seems he cannot understand why tires from completely different designs have completely different weight ratios.

For instance: A steel cased high mileage tire, size LT235/85R16E, with 15/32” tread depth, on top of a retreadable casing having an extra (3rd) steel belt with sidewall inserts for scrubbing protection has a weight of 58#. Yet its maximum load capacity is just 3042#

Then he compares it to a ST235/80R16E (a smaller tire) with 10/32” tread depth polyester cased (age out) tire without the added durability protection, and it weighs, on average, 35-38#. Its maximum load capacity is 3520#.

FastEagle

p.s. I think you will find that the 3042# tire has that load capacity by design, so it can meet the standard specifications model for that size tire set by the T&RA, and others.

So Calvin can you please explain why the M8008ST beside being built heavy gets better ratings for the users than the bunch of 35 pounds. In the other tire thread about the ST Maxmiler getting good reports, we have yet again an ST tire that is built heavier like the M800ST Maxxis, yet you continue to dismiss more robust ST offerings.

This tread is about multiple failures of your beloved Towmax failing when used within its design limits. Must be the OP does not know how to maintain his tires, right? Or is it that ST tires when used up in the extra 10 percent capacity just can not cut the mustard? Yet trailer manufacturers continue to install them OEM!!!

Chris