2017 Class A's

Effy wrote:

dougrainer wrote:

Effy wrote:
Not even sure how it's legal. Buying a coach that's -11 months old. I get that it's mostly marketing but outside of that I really don't get it.

Most Standard Model RV's come out in Mid Summer. The OEM's switch production during a Mid Summer shutdown/vacation. When they show a New/redesigned model at the Dec 1 Louisville show, they want orders and sometimes THOSE models will be built and shipped in the first 3 months of the new year. THOSE models will may reflect 2017. They are not going to wait to produce those type models until the summer. They are NOT like Auto's where they can delay production until later. They have to keep the production line going so they produce those units. As to legal, what difference does it make if a 2017 comes out in Feb 2016 or August of 2016. It is NOT 2017 yet. The Year is put on the MSO by the RV OEM and is not related to chassis year model. Doug

Most of that makes logical sense, but what does production have to do with slapping a year on it? You telling me they can't start calling them 2017's in November instead of January? Also I think it affects depreciation. The 2015 someone bought last year is now 2 years old instead of actually being only one. To me the year should reflect the actual year it was produced. If it rolls off the line in 2016, it's a 2016. Consumers get so caught up in the latest and "one upmanship" that we start calling units by next years date. Apply any logic to it you want, it's still a lie.

Because they are geared up to BUILD that new model. Unlike Auto makers that build hundreds of thousands, RV's must have the specific production line going to build that model. They usually have added buildings and employees to build that "new" type model. So, they show it at Louisville in Dec and once orders are taken start production as soon as they can. Now, to WHEN is it appropriate to start the new year model selling? What difference does it make if it is Jan of 2016 or Dec of 2016 or any month between????????? What makes August seem more reasonable???? 35 years ago we were selling 1982 model motorhomes (NEW) with 1979 Dodge class A chassis(last year Dodge made class A chassis). It is NO LIE. You are buying a 2017 model. It is designated as such. Doug

The model year is more a designation of the design and design updates, rather than a precise indication of when a vehicle is built. A maker is of course free to introduce an updated design at any point during the year, and often change the model year designation at that time. The only requirement is that vehicles made on January 1st of a year be in that year's model year, but it can start any time prior to that (within the previous year) and end any time after that (up until the end of the year).

If a maker shuts down for a few days around New Year's, it's entirely possible to skip a model year without having any significant break in production.

This isn't unique to RVs; it applies to all motor vehicles.

Mr.Mark wrote:

Effy wrote:

dougrainer wrote:

Effy wrote:
Not even sure how it's legal. Buying a coach that's -11 months old. I get that it's mostly marketing but outside of that I really don't get it.

Most Standard Model RV's come out in Mid Summer. The OEM's switch production during a Mid Summer shutdown/vacation. When they show a New/redesigned model at the Dec 1 Louisville show, they want orders and sometimes THOSE models will be built and shipped in the first 3 months of the new year. THOSE models will may reflect 2017. They are not going to wait to produce those type models until the summer. They are NOT like Auto's where they can delay production until later. They have to keep the production line going so they produce those units. As to legal, what difference does it make if a 2017 comes out in Feb 2016 or August of 2016. It is NOT 2017 yet. The Year is put on the MSO by the RV OEM and is not related to chassis year model. Doug

Most of that makes logical sense, but what does production have to do with slapping a year on it? You telling me they can't start calling them 2017's in November instead of January? Also I think it affects depreciation. The 2015 someone bought last year is now 2 years old instead of actually being only one. To me the year should reflect the actual year it was produced. If it rolls off the line in 2016, it's a 2016. Consumers get so caught up in the latest and "one upmanship" that we start calling units by next years date. Apply any logic to it you want, it's still a lie.

Effy,

We ordered our 2015 coach in March 2014. It took 8 months to build so we took delivery in Nov. '14. We received the second to the last run of the 2015 model produced that year. It takes so long to build that it makes sense to up the model year, our chassis is listed as a 2014 model.

Our converter started producing the 2017 Liberty's mid 2015 so the first ones were available Jan/Feb.

I usually always buy my cars in Dec. so I can get the next model year. I bought the Honda CR-V in December of 2012. I'm looking to replace it in the fall and will look at 2017 models.

MM.

I get that Mark, but calling a standard Class A MH - that takes a week to build - a 2017 in March of 2016 is silly. Calling a car another year in December makes sense. Calling a custom bus another year when it takes 8 months to build makes sense. The retail RV market - not so much.

Effy wrote:

dougrainer wrote:

Effy wrote:
Not even sure how it's legal. Buying a coach that's -11 months old. I get that it's mostly marketing but outside of that I really don't get it.

Most Standard Model RV's come out in Mid Summer. The OEM's switch production during a Mid Summer shutdown/vacation. When they show a New/redesigned model at the Dec 1 Louisville show, they want orders and sometimes THOSE models will be built and shipped in the first 3 months of the new year. THOSE models will may reflect 2017. They are not going to wait to produce those type models until the summer. They are NOT like Auto's where they can delay production until later. They have to keep the production line going so they produce those units. As to legal, what difference does it make if a 2017 comes out in Feb 2016 or August of 2016. It is NOT 2017 yet. The Year is put on the MSO by the RV OEM and is not related to chassis year model. Doug

Most of that makes logical sense, but what does production have to do with slapping a year on it? You telling me they can't start calling them 2017's in November instead of January? Also I think it affects depreciation. The 2015 someone bought last year is now 2 years old instead of actually being only one. To me the year should reflect the actual year it was produced. If it rolls off the line in 2016, it's a 2016. Consumers get so caught up in the latest and "one upmanship" that we start calling units by next years date. Apply any logic to it you want, it's still a lie.

Effy,

We ordered our 2015 coach in March 2014. It took 8 months to build so we took delivery in Nov. '14. We received the second to the last run of the 2015 model produced that year. It takes so long to build that it makes sense to up the model year, our chassis is listed as a 2014 model.

Our converter started producing the 2017 Liberty's mid 2015 so the first ones were available Jan/Feb.

I usually always buy my cars in Dec. so I can get the next model year. I bought the Honda CR-V in December of 2012. I'm looking to replace it in the fall and will look at 2017 models.

MM.

It is called "planned obsolescence". Manufacturers do it purposely to get consumers into their stores. Right now Ford is selling 2017 Escape and Fusion models. Chevy brought out a 2016 Volt only for a couple of months as the 2017 is headed off the line. In early 2009 Toyota introduced a new generation Prius as a 2010 model. All about getting we the consumers money.

dougrainer wrote:

Effy wrote:
Not even sure how it's legal. Buying a coach that's -11 months old. I get that it's mostly marketing but outside of that I really don't get it.

Most Standard Model RV's come out in Mid Summer. The OEM's switch production during a Mid Summer shutdown/vacation. When they show a New/redesigned model at the Dec 1 Louisville show, they want orders and sometimes THOSE models will be built and shipped in the first 3 months of the new year. THOSE models will may reflect 2017. They are not going to wait to produce those type models until the summer. They are NOT like Auto's where they can delay production until later. They have to keep the production line going so they produce those units. As to legal, what difference does it make if a 2017 comes out in Feb 2016 or August of 2016. It is NOT 2017 yet. The Year is put on the MSO by the RV OEM and is not related to chassis year model. Doug

Most of that makes logical sense, but what does production have to do with slapping a year on it? You telling me they can't start calling them 2017's in November instead of January? Also I think it affects depreciation. The 2015 someone bought last year is now 2 years old instead of actually being only one. To me the year should reflect the actual year it was produced. If it rolls off the line in 2016, it's a 2016. Consumers get so caught up in the latest and "one upmanship" that we start calling units by next years date. Apply any logic to it you want, it's still a lie.

I know that Newmar stopped taking orders of the 2016's last week and will be shipping the 2017's in June/July. Floor plans and general information will be out in two weeks. I was curious if this is true of most coach builders?

Effy wrote:
Not even sure how it's legal. Buying a coach that's -11 months old. I get that it's mostly marketing but outside of that I really don't get it.

Most Standard Model RV's come out in Mid Summer. The OEM's switch production during a Mid Summer shutdown/vacation. When they show a New/redesigned model at the Dec 1 Louisville show, they want orders and sometimes THOSE models will be built and shipped in the first 3 months of the new year. THOSE models will may reflect 2017. They are not going to wait to produce those type models until the summer. They are NOT like Auto's where they can delay production until later. They have to keep the production line going so they produce those units. As to legal, what difference does it make if a 2017 comes out in Feb 2016 or August of 2016. It is NOT 2017 yet. The Year is put on the MSO by the RV OEM and is not related to chassis year model. Doug

Not even sure how it's legal. Buying a coach that's -11 months old. I get that it's mostly marketing but outside of that I really don't get it.

Usually, but not always, the manufactures will use the Louisville KT and Tampa FL shows in Jan to present their new model years. Usually, but not always, a few months later rigs will start showing up on dealer lots but you can order a rig as soon as the new model years is presented.