Hey Gary, I had a conference with the concrete guy today, and we are getting a sturdy mix of concrete and it will have fiber in it. So, thanks again for mentioning that tome. I had heard about it before, but it was one of those things that went in one ear and out the other. so I did a bit of research on it and discovered you were right. When I ask the man about it he started laughing and ask me if I had looked that up on line, and of course, thanks to you I had and had printed out what I found. I showed him my print out and he got a real kick out of it and then showed me on the print out the exact mix he was going to use and said he was also having the fiber in it. He has sent some of the supplies here and plans on grading on Monday. So, thank you Gary and everyone who has replied. I appreciate it.