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colonelcorto
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May 23, 2019

Help! HVAC system not working at all

Hello. I have a 96 Fleetwood Southwind on an f53 chassis. I recently pulled my unit out of winter storage (had a couple days of -30s and -40s this year) to repair the inevitable burst water lines and now leaky toilet. To my surprise, I had no HVAC on the way home. None of the fan settings worked and even the A/C light wouldn't illuminate when I pushed the button.

I figured it was just a fuse and checked them all, nothing bad. I checked every fuse in the RV fuse box, the under-hood fuse box, and the driver side kick panel.

I pulled the HVAC control panel from the dash and started troubleshooting. I also removed the passenger side false wall and exposed the blower motor. When the MH is keyed to "on" I can hear a relay click when I move the blower selector from "off" to the lowest setting and then another click when I move it to "High." to be sure I pulled the blower relay and checked it anyway, it was fine. I also pulled the blower and wired it to a batter, it runs very strong.

I pulled the resistor pack an can see no obvious damage, however I'm not getting any conclusive resistance readings across any of the pins. Also, I believe that the resistor pack is on the ground end of the circuit. One of the wires going to the resistor pack matches the negative line of the blower motor. So, I shorted that to ground and tried the controls again...nothing.

Here is where things get weird. I pulled the connector from the blower motor and stuck the multi-meter leads into that. "off" reads 0.0 volts, as expected. However, all of the other fan speeds, including "high' read about 12 volts. This reading stays constant until I start manipulating the other HVAC controls. If I change any of the modes the voltage to the motor drops to about 8. when I push the A/C button, it drops to zero.

What is going on? I feel like the resistor pack is probably bad but I should still have high speed. Why am I reading voltage at the plug but when I connect the plug to the motor there is nothing?

Please help!!
  • The AC box is labeled Nippondenso.

    Update. I traced the hot wire from the blower motor and found a smaller gauge wire with inline fuse spliced into it. I assume this is what engages the AC compressor clutch because when I apply 12 volts to it the clutch engages and the entire system come to life. All of the blower speeds work as well. This makes sense if all of the controls are on the ground side (which I suspected). I’m looking for a fuse I missed or a bad relay - something to energize the 12 volt leg of the blower motor.
  • Check the plug which connects to the resistor pack. Ford had a problem for a while (don't remember which years but it was there in 02) where water would get into the back side of the plug and corrode all the connections where the wires are crimped on. Only way to see it was to use a paperclip to pop the connectors out of the plastic plug. They sell replacement plugs at most auto parts stores.

    Not saying that this is your issue, but is worth a look.
  • Your HVAC is from Denso NOT Evans Tempcon.
    Click on downloads for complete wiring print.
    On my 95 F53 Bounder, behind the dash, there is a fuse in a plastic fuse holder that supplies the 12 volts for the HVAC. Mine has a label from Ford that says HVAC. Yours may be the same.

    Richard
  • BTW Measuring voltage on the wires ignores the possibility of a bad ground. Measure from frame ground to isolate the problem.
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    Sounds like a fuse. ON my Workhorse there is a fuse dedicated to HEVAC.

    Alas. they did not use it. I had to track it down and replace a circuit breaker.
  • The 12V wire is open perhaps due to a bad connection or other component. Your voltage under load indicates this. The compressor clutch may also not be activated.

    Voltmeters have very high impedance which means they have virtually no load which is why it reads 12V until you turn the A/C on.