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93mastercraft wrote:
captpar wrote:
Add me to the list of not buying a Thor product directly attributed to this thread
Camping world just pulled a cheap trick on us. We were supposed to see a factory fresh Palazzo from Thor today. It turned out to be just another unit from another Camping World dealer. It was not even the same color. We are finished.
Are they offering to take yours back and give you another?Effy wrote:
Lack of quality in RV's, epsecially entry level (like it or not the Palazzo is an entry level DP) will continue to be bad as long as we as consumers enable it. We enable it by buying them. We know it up front, buy them anyway and then complain. Too late. Money was made. Sales will not suffer because people still want them. Rv's are an anolomy in the that they are a heavily depreciating asset, no quality control but fly off the shelves anyway. The reason is there is a low quality standard among all manufacturers. Say what you want they all have problems. Unless there is a company that is willing to stand up, make a better quality product to compete on the entry level market at a competitive price, it will never change.
Hasn't every company that has tried to make even a slightly less-bad unit folded? (Carriage, for example.) Only one that comes to mind that is actually built well is Airstream.That way leads to less revenue and at the end of the day it's all about money. What's the cheapest product I can make and still get you to buy it. And it works. Educated consumers as we are, buy anyway and then complain that the bargain RV we bought has issues. You can boycott. But then you won't have that brand new RV. Not saying it's right, but that's reality. The ONLY way this will be forced to change is more regulation on quality control. Then you have complaints about Nanny state, guvmint infringement etc. Everyone hates goverment until they need it. Everyone hates cheap quality RV's but they buy them.
Because there is NOTHING ELSE AVAILABLE. It really is that simple.captpar wrote:
Add me to the list of not buying a Thor product directly attributed to this thread
Camping world just pulled a cheap trick on us. We were supposed to see a factory fresh Palazzo from Thor today. It turned out to be just another unit from another Camping World dealer. It was not even the same color. We are finished.- Add me to the list of not buying a Thor product directly attributed to this thread
93mastercraft wrote:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. There's one thing we both can't dispute. These Schwintek motors and gears are about the cheapest pieces of******I have ever seen.
Amen. Bad design and uderpowered for the size of that slide. I do hope it gets fixed to your liking. Nothing like the kick in the gut you are experiencing after spending all that money and hopes and dreams to leave you with this issue. Thor has always been good to me and I was strongly looking at the Palazzo. I may not now and that's a darn shame. Merry Christmas and cheers. Here's you hoping you get it worked out and can put some miles behind you in the new year.- I guess we will have to agree to disagree. There's one thing we both can't dispute. These Schwintek motors and gears are about the cheapest pieces of******I have ever seen.
93mastercraft wrote:
Effy wrote:
Lack of quality in RV's, epsecially entry level (like it or not the Palazzo is an entry level DP) will continue to be bad as long as we as consumers enable it. We enable it by buying them. We know it up front, buy them anyway and then complain. Too late. Money was made. Sales will not suffer because people still want them. Rv's are an anolomy in the that they are a heavily depreciating asset, no quality control but fly off the shelves anyway. The reason is there is a low quality standard among all manufacturers. Say what you want they all have problems. Unless there is a company that is willing to stand up, make a better quality product to compete on the entry level market at a competitive price, it will never change. That way leads to less revenue and at the end of the day it's all about money. What's the cheapest product I can make and still get you to buy it. And it works. Educated consumers as we are, buy anyway and then complain that the bargain RV we bought has issues. You can boycott. But then you won't have that brand new RV. Not saying it's right, but that's reality. The ONLY way this will be forced to change is more regulation on quality control. THen you have complaints about Nanny state, guvmint infringement etc. Everyone hates goverment until they need it. Everyone hates cheap quality RV's but they buy them.
I have to disagree with you. These might be entry level RV's, but not an entry level price. Entry level does not mean the quality should be sacrificed. A 300K RV can have just as many problems. Entry level means that instead of using tile, they use vinyl. Entry level means using cultured counter tops instead of granite. Entry level means using laminate cabinets instead of solid wood. Entry level means using two 3500BTU AC's instead of 5000BTU. Entry level means not having all the upgrades a more expensive one might have. The list could go on and on. There is no excuse for poor quality, lack of QC and failing components right out of the factory. I've owned "entry level RV's for over 15 years and never had problems like what's on this Palazzo.
Entry level also means cheaper slide parts and other mechanisms designed for smaller applications. Do you really think a $300k MH uses the same slide mechanism? No. I am not trying to make light of your situation, I empathize with you. It's not right. My point was however, it's reality. Cheaper price, cheaper parts and not just for bling and what you see. It's also in a lot of stuff you can't see. The ONLY reason any manufacturer is pressed into decent quality control is reputation over volume sales. Hence a higher price. Until any company is mandated either by virtue of competition or by way of regulation and oversight, this stuff will keep happening. And people will keep on buying.Effy wrote:
Lack of quality in RV's, epsecially entry level (like it or not the Palazzo is an entry level DP) will continue to be bad as long as we as consumers enable it. We enable it by buying them. We know it up front, buy them anyway and then complain. Too late. Money was made. Sales will not suffer because people still want them. Rv's are an anolomy in the that they are a heavily depreciating asset, no quality control but fly off the shelves anyway. The reason is there is a low quality standard among all manufacturers. Say what you want they all have problems. Unless there is a company that is willing to stand up, make a better quality product to compete on the entry level market at a competitive price, it will never change. That way leads to less revenue and at the end of the day it's all about money. What's the cheapest product I can make and still get you to buy it. And it works. Educated consumers as we are, buy anyway and then complain that the bargain RV we bought has issues. You can boycott. But then you won't have that brand new RV. Not saying it's right, but that's reality. The ONLY way this will be forced to change is more regulation on quality control. THen you have complaints about Nanny state, guvmint infringement etc. Everyone hates goverment until they need it. Everyone hates cheap quality RV's but they buy them.
I have to disagree with you. These might be entry level RV's, but not an entry level price. Entry level does not mean the quality should be sacrificed. A 300K RV can have just as many problems. Entry level means that instead of using tile, they use vinyl. Entry level means using cultured counter tops instead of granite. Entry level means using laminate cabinets instead of solid wood. Entry level means using two 3500BTU AC's instead of 5000BTU. Entry level means not having all the upgrades a more expensive one might have. The list could go on and on. There is no excuse for poor quality, lack of QC and failing components right out of the factory. I've owned "entry level RV's for over 15 years and never had problems like what's on this Palazzo.- Lack of quality in RV's, epsecially entry level (like it or not the Palazzo is an entry level DP) will continue to be bad as long as we as consumers enable it. We enable it by buying them. We know it up front, buy them anyway and then complain. Too late. Money was made. Sales will not suffer because people still want them. Rv's are an anolomy in the that they are a heavily depreciating asset, no quality control but fly off the shelves anyway. The reason is there is a low quality standard among all manufacturers. Say what you want they all have problems. Unless there is a company that is willing to stand up, make a better quality product to compete on the entry level market at a competitive price, it will never change. That way leads to less revenue and at the end of the day it's all about money. What's the cheapest product I can make and still get you to buy it. And it works. Educated consumers as we are, buy anyway and then complain that the bargain RV we bought has issues. You can boycott. But then you won't have that brand new RV. Not saying it's right, but that's reality. The ONLY way this will be forced to change is more regulation on quality control. THen you have complaints about Nanny state, guvmint infringement etc. Everyone hates goverment until they need it. Everyone hates cheap quality RV's but they buy them.
