Miles
Looking to purchase a used class c and i was wondering about the mile on a used unit , How many miles is too many on a use unit?
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Soren, somehow you managed to read a whole lot more into my post than what I actually stated. When I brought up units that have been beat up, I was not specifically referring to rental units. In fact, moreso I was referring to privately owned coaches.
Sorry, I assumed that you were referring to buying used rental RVs in a thread about the same? Having a home base ten miles from one of the giant Nascar venues, I can assure you that heavily decaled rentals are well represented in the abuse you describe.
I am not sure why that would be worthy of a smile, but this has not been my experience at all. In fact, foreign tourists are among the best, most reliable renters overall. Just because they may not speak english does not make them ignorant or abusive. They care for the equipment, keep it clean, and turn it in at least as clean as they received it. I'd have a lot fewer headaches if all my business was international.
The smile specifically relates to thinking about the delusion that these things are lovingly used, meticulously maintained and worth a premium, as I watch them get abused. You make a lot of assumptions and clearly state "facts" counter to discussions I have had with folks in campground management, Counter to the fresh damage I observed on rigs in the field, and the interesting experiencing of watching them get drug down tree limbs, backed into a dumpster, filled with enough folks that it looks like a clown car in the circus etc.... Want the truth? Talk to anybody working in a national park campground, great stories. As for sanitation, I have seen at least one experience in discharging waste at a dump station, performed by a Frenchmen in a C.A rig, that I don't even like to think about before breakfast. As for helping anybody that needs it, I'm always there, and have done hook-ups for several Europeans in rentals that obviously had either no training, or no understanding of what was said when shown how to.
Your experience with Cruise America is obviously quite dated since they abandoned the practice of demating units at least a decade ago. Most units in the current Cruise America fleet are late model '12s, '13s and '14s
Sorry, but your "expertise" to put it charitably is at best, questionable. The rental period was Christmas 2008, from the Kissimmee Fl. location. Hardly "at least a decade ago", The unit was a '07 E450 with a totally trashed box installed. Given the low mileage and excellent condition of the cut-away, there is no doubting that the piece of garbage we received was as you say, "demated"
Indeed, they are easily identifiable. Cruise America owns the Four Winds "Majestic" model name, so any "Majestic" unit was a previous Cruise America unit. Interior features and certain system design elements are Cruise America spec designed for the rental environment based upon things they have learned over years of operating experience and millions of miles on the fleet. In fact, a lot of the features you see on consumer grade Four Winds units are features that have been previously tested and proven on the Cruise America fleet and then incorporated into consumer grade units.
As to asking price versus a later selling price, I have no opinion on that other than to say I have bought and sold many Cruise units and never lost a dime. If a buyer doesn't know how to negotiate, that is hardly the fault of the unit. For a first time owner or a cost conscious family, they are a tremendous bargain to help people get into the lifestyle without an enormous up front investment or a unit that is costly to own and maintain. Only an absolute luddite would be unable to do his/her own maintenance on an ex-rental unit.
Not sure how your sales pitch responds to my comment, but it's important to keep the facts in in mind for those heading down this road. As for negotiations, others here claim that C.A. does not discount in any significant amounts? Perhaps they are not as savvy as you claim to be, who knows? Assuming that several other members and owners here are correct, then these products that a massive depreciation hit when the second owner decides to get rid of them in a short period of time. If not, it would be tough to explain how searching a national RV classified site often shows a supply of Majestic rigs, in similar condition to those offered by C.A, only a year or two older, with ASKING prices of 30-50% less? If folks are paying in the low to mid-$20K range for these things, and two years later the same rig is sitting on a dealers lot for an ASKING of $17K, somebody got their butt handed to them. Have bought and sold many RVs over the years, I guess I'm not nearly as smart as you, but in my mind, it's pretty hard to claim that losing 50% of your initial investment in a short period of time qualifies as a "tremendous bargain"
Sorry, I assumed that you were referring to buying used rental RVs in a thread about the same? Having a home base ten miles from one of the giant Nascar venues, I can assure you that heavily decaled rentals are well represented in the abuse you describe.
I am not sure why that would be worthy of a smile, but this has not been my experience at all. In fact, foreign tourists are among the best, most reliable renters overall. Just because they may not speak english does not make them ignorant or abusive. They care for the equipment, keep it clean, and turn it in at least as clean as they received it. I'd have a lot fewer headaches if all my business was international.
The smile specifically relates to thinking about the delusion that these things are lovingly used, meticulously maintained and worth a premium, as I watch them get abused. You make a lot of assumptions and clearly state "facts" counter to discussions I have had with folks in campground management, Counter to the fresh damage I observed on rigs in the field, and the interesting experiencing of watching them get drug down tree limbs, backed into a dumpster, filled with enough folks that it looks like a clown car in the circus etc.... Want the truth? Talk to anybody working in a national park campground, great stories. As for sanitation, I have seen at least one experience in discharging waste at a dump station, performed by a Frenchmen in a C.A rig, that I don't even like to think about before breakfast. As for helping anybody that needs it, I'm always there, and have done hook-ups for several Europeans in rentals that obviously had either no training, or no understanding of what was said when shown how to.
Your experience with Cruise America is obviously quite dated since they abandoned the practice of demating units at least a decade ago. Most units in the current Cruise America fleet are late model '12s, '13s and '14s
Sorry, but your "expertise" to put it charitably is at best, questionable. The rental period was Christmas 2008, from the Kissimmee Fl. location. Hardly "at least a decade ago", The unit was a '07 E450 with a totally trashed box installed. Given the low mileage and excellent condition of the cut-away, there is no doubting that the piece of garbage we received was as you say, "demated"
Indeed, they are easily identifiable. Cruise America owns the Four Winds "Majestic" model name, so any "Majestic" unit was a previous Cruise America unit. Interior features and certain system design elements are Cruise America spec designed for the rental environment based upon things they have learned over years of operating experience and millions of miles on the fleet. In fact, a lot of the features you see on consumer grade Four Winds units are features that have been previously tested and proven on the Cruise America fleet and then incorporated into consumer grade units.
As to asking price versus a later selling price, I have no opinion on that other than to say I have bought and sold many Cruise units and never lost a dime. If a buyer doesn't know how to negotiate, that is hardly the fault of the unit. For a first time owner or a cost conscious family, they are a tremendous bargain to help people get into the lifestyle without an enormous up front investment or a unit that is costly to own and maintain. Only an absolute luddite would be unable to do his/her own maintenance on an ex-rental unit.
Not sure how your sales pitch responds to my comment, but it's important to keep the facts in in mind for those heading down this road. As for negotiations, others here claim that C.A. does not discount in any significant amounts? Perhaps they are not as savvy as you claim to be, who knows? Assuming that several other members and owners here are correct, then these products that a massive depreciation hit when the second owner decides to get rid of them in a short period of time. If not, it would be tough to explain how searching a national RV classified site often shows a supply of Majestic rigs, in similar condition to those offered by C.A, only a year or two older, with ASKING prices of 30-50% less? If folks are paying in the low to mid-$20K range for these things, and two years later the same rig is sitting on a dealers lot for an ASKING of $17K, somebody got their butt handed to them. Have bought and sold many RVs over the years, I guess I'm not nearly as smart as you, but in my mind, it's pretty hard to claim that losing 50% of your initial investment in a short period of time qualifies as a "tremendous bargain"
