Hi guys,I recently spoke to someone who became a full timer and the conversation was interesting. He told me that he sold his home in New York and set up a Montana LLC. He then purchased a new MH and a Toad and said he saved $53,480 in taxes between the two vehicles. He said a couple months larter he went to Florida and set up a domicile and got a Florida drivers license. This got him away from what he called exorbident NY taxes. He then went back to Florida 14 months later and reregistered his MH and car in Florida with $0 tax implication. He paid a small fee to re-title in FL and paid the standard plate fee.I asked how that was possible and he said Florida does't make you pay the tax if you owned the vehicles for 12 months or more. He said since then Florida has changed the 12 months to 6 months!What do you think?Harry

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. Why don't you try it and come back on here 2 yrs. from now and report your success, or your failure. :S

I would need to know all the ins outs ups and downs

Do a search on the Montana LLC. They (the feds & the state) are very aware of illegal LLC's and have cracked down on this and anyone doing it IS under a microscope from the day they set it up. IMHO not something I would want to be under waiting for the second shoe to fall.There is no statute of limitations on fraud. :WSeems to me a MUCH simpler way to have done that was to set up the 'so-called' domicile in Florida FIRST, buy the RV and have it registered in Florida AT the dealership and therefore pay the lower Florida tax. Did your friend fake the Florida address too to obtain the DL?

I was shopping at a local grocery store and saw him pulling in. He was driving an American Eagle coach with a Jeep Cherokee toad and it was an attention getter. When he came in I told him my wife and I were considering the Full-Tme motorhome experience and he lit up like a lightbulb, more than happy to talk with me. There is a Starbucks in the store so I bought him a cup of coffee. I paid because I felt bad for him having to slum it with an American Eagle. :)I saw that he had Florida plates and asked him if he lived there long, I lived there 30 years, and he said "well if you add it up maybe a total of 8 days"! Thats when he gave me the information mentioned above. That's all I know other than RV people have been some of the friendliest people I've met in many-a-day...Harry

Remember too, the key words there are FULL TIMERS....full timers can, with certain caveats, dictate their intended State of Residency. The Feds, look to see where you bank, your DL, where you vote, and many other items to determine your intended State of Residency. If you only use the Montana LLC to avoid taxation, you could find yourself in a world of hurt...do your homework, follow all the instructions to a TEE, and you'll probably be ok. We chose South Dakota because it's RV friendly, low sales tax and no income tax. But we vote there, bank there, have Dls from there etc. even though we don't own property there....Dennis

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Effy
Explorer II
May 30, 2014
willald wrote:
Effy wrote:
So is it better to use a MT LLC to buy a Gas or diesel MH and which manufacturer, length, and should it be new or used and how old should the tires be and what should I expect for MPG? If Gas workhorse or F53, if diesel, should I look for spartan, freightliner or any other? Also, is it better to have my MT LLC coach with hydro slide or electric, tpo roof or fiberglass? Should I ever level it with the wheels off the ground? (Fronts only - I am not that silly). I think that covers most of it.

Nah, Effy, I think you forgot a few topics:

Should you travel in it with propane frig on? Is it OK for you to dump grey water on the ground with it? Should you spend a fortune on day 1 and put in a residential refrigerator? If you tow a vehicle behind it, should you install a supplemental braking system?

Hehehe, it goes on and on. :)

:B
willald
Explorer II
May 30, 2014
Effy wrote:
So is it better to use a MT LLC to buy a Gas or diesel MH and which manufacturer, length, and should it be new or used and how old should the tires be and what should I expect for MPG? If Gas workhorse or F53, if diesel, should I look for spartan, freightliner or any other? Also, is it better to have my MT LLC coach with hydro slide or electric, tpo roof or fiberglass? Should I ever level it with the wheels off the ground? (Fronts only - I am not that silly). I think that covers most of it.

Nah, Effy, I think you forgot a few topics:

Should you travel in it with propane frig on? Is it OK for you to dump grey water on the ground with it? Should you spend a fortune on day 1 and put in a residential refrigerator? If you tow a vehicle behind it, should you install a supplemental braking system?

Hehehe, it goes on and on. :)
wnytaxman
Explorer
May 30, 2014
Yep, it was a rather long and interesting thread. On the bright side, if it saves someone some $$ by giving them the understanding of the pros and cons of the subject, then it was well worth it.

Now in the efforts of continuing friendship we should discuss politics, religion, sports, dogs vs. cats, and who's smarter, men or women. I'm sure that would keep the moderators busy just deleting those threads.

Safe travels to all!
Effy
Explorer II
May 30, 2014
So is it better to use a MT LLC to buy a Gas or diesel MH and which manufacturer, length, and should it be new or used and how old should the tires be and what should I expect for MPG? If Gas workhorse or F53, if diesel, should I look for spartan, freightliner or any other? Also, is it better to have my MT LLC coach with hydro slide or electric, tpo roof or fiberglass? Should I ever level it with the wheels off the ground? (Fronts only - I am not that silly). I think that covers most of it.
mike_brez
Explorer
May 30, 2014

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RVpullinGuy
Explorer
May 30, 2014
So, after reading every post in this 7 page thread, what is better... gas or diesel? I'm researching to upgrade from my current bumper pull toy hauler.
Skid_Row_Joe
Explorer
May 30, 2014
Executive wrote:
Remember too, the key words there are FULL TIMERS....full timers can, with certain caveats, dictate their intended State of Residency. The Feds, look to see where you bank, your DL, where you vote, and many other items to determine your intended State of Residency. If you only use the Montana LLC to avoid taxation, you could find yourself in a world of hurt...do your homework, follow all the instructions to a TEE, and you'll probably be ok. We chose South Dakota because it's RV friendly, low sales tax and no income tax. But we vote there, bank there, have Dls from there etc. even though we don't own property there....Dennis

This doesn't fit, Dennis. I've owned coaches for 27 years licensing them in up to (5) different states, owned property in several states, and no Feds looked at me, my DL, my banking, where I vote, etc.

You own property in AZ., IIRC, so how does that work? Seems to me that AZ. is your domicile state, and should be paying their state income tax - so why are you feigning SD with all your particular legals?
Executive45
Explorer III
May 30, 2014
Awww....beam me up now, Scotty...we are done here......:B.....Dennis
Foodsman
Explorer
May 30, 2014
Hey Effy, mine was intended to be nothing more than good fun... Sorry you took it the wrong way!
Effy
Explorer II
May 30, 2014
Foodsman wrote:
Hey Effy,

Effy said: [COLOR=]"Ask about gas vs diesel next."

Well thanks a lot there your Effy-ness... I'm reminded of my first jump when the sergeant said "You do not need a parachute to make this jump. You only need a parachute to make the jump twice."!

Thanks Sarge oops, Effy, :) My next post will be about something we can all agree on. Like who's smarter a man or a woman? :D

Harry

Chill dude, I wasn't knockin on you. Just saying that the forum is full of heated discussions on certain topics . You sparked one off. We all have. Lighten up. It was sarcasm.

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