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2wheelluge
Explorer
Jun 04, 2015

Moving on...

Dear B+ friends,
I wrote a month ago saying we traded in our 213 on a new Winnebago Vista 26HE. We’re on our way home from a trip to Texas so I thought I’d give you some impressions of the move in case some of you are tempted to do likewise.
The major reason for the move was that there really is no way to travel or sleep a third person on a 213. We have a granddaughter and her mother would not let us take her without an appropriate seat anchor. We also wanted to have friends come with us cycling and there was no place for them to sleep. There also wasn’t much storage space, but that wasn’t a deal breaker.
So, big step from 21 foot B+ to 26 foot A! Well, to get the seating and sleeping we wanted, a quality C was no cheaper, had much less storage space, and had a Ford chassis with very tight cab space. Sprinter-based C’s were another $25K and smaller, and the Ram Chassis had a max hitch tongue of #200, which would have limited our carrying capacity.
The 213 was 22 feet bumper to bumper, and the 26HE is 27. It will still fit in two parking lot spaces end to end with the bikes on the back. It’s a little taller, marginally wider. It is HUGE inside with a bed we don’t have to make up nightly, and, unique to Winnebago, has a tether anchor for a child seat.
What’s not to like? Well, the mileage for one. I could get 10-11 with my 6.0L Chevy, this trip was in the low 7’s. The Sprinter guys can brag about mileage but I can buy lots of gas for $25K. At the start of the trip I would have said the Vista is more work to drive, but 3,000 miles later we are both comfortable driving it. It is more affected by wind and trucks but not much. It has a short wheelbase so turning around is fine.
There you have it. If anyone has questions, let me know.
  • j-d's avatar
    j-d
    Explorer II
    ^^^ Glad you like it, and like I said, Hot Steamin' Deal. Remember, unlike a Van Nose, F-53 can benefit from a Front Track Bar as well as a Rear Track Bar. The Davis Tru-Trac is the common (if not only) front bar, sold by Eric's RV (Eric Davis developed it) and by Roadmaster, who claims they now make it. Rear track bars might be available from others than Roadmaster and SuperSteer (which is Hendersons LineUp). Our rear track bar is branded BlueOx, seems to be the same bar as SuperSteer. I talked to a man who works for BlueOx as suspension expert, said he developed the rear track bars and they're all made by the same shop in WA/OR, I forget which.
    F-53 probably has large sway bars. Those could probably be upgraded with RoadMaster. Or Hellwig (usually less expensive).
    We have friends with a small Class A on Workhorse chassis. All they've done in front is replace worn out OEM sway bar bushings with aftermarket poly bushings. It's a beefy bar from the factory. They don't need a front track bar because that chassis doesn't have a single solid axle. In the rear, they did upgrade with a Roadmaster sway bar and a track bar as well (don't know the brand). THAT little Class A (24-ft) is rock steady and they've traveled a lot of miles with it. Enjoy yours!
  • Ya know, there is a lot written about the handling on the 26HE. Yup, it doesn't drive like a 21 foot B+. Wind is the big problem. If there isn't much, there is no problem with trucks. In a crosswind, you'd better have both hands on the wheel. But now that we have a few miles driving, we both feel very comfortable. We'll probably fiddle with suspension in time, but for now we'll let it ride.

    As we got close to home, we talked about our decision and so far, we are very pleased.
  • The F53 Chassis is much more robust than the E series van chassis. The wheelbase to length ratio is an even more critical factor due to the slab side and higher profile. Wind and passing trucks have greater influence.
  • j-d's avatar
    j-d
    Explorer II
    The 25HE really looks good. A VERY reasonable price to get into a Class A. How is the handling? It has a wheelbase that'd be way too short for a Class C that size. I've come to think that the F-53 Class A chassis is enough more robust than the E-350/450 Class C chassis that it tracks OK with less wheelbase.

    Would like to hear your long-term reviews!
  • Congratulations on finding a good fit for you. Decisions are more difficult with that much money at stake.
  • Congratulations and glad you're happy with the Vista. Nice to be able to take grandkids along. So far we have taken all 8 of ours for at least one trip each (but not all at the same time).
  • you sound pleased, and that is a great thing.

    the 213 is built-for-two, no doubt about that...well, two humans and plenty of dogs!

    enjoy!