new ford chassis coming???

The only reason the diesel Transit has a higher GVWR is because of the weight of the diesel, and to allow the same payload.

BTW - the E450 has a GCWR of 22,000 pounds, which is about 7,000 pounds more than a Sprinter.

Also, because the EcoBoost has forced induction, it can have whatever torque curve that Ford programs.

pnichols wrote:

carringb wrote:
We get it. You don't like gas motors. Guess what? Most people on this continent do. Pay more for less power? No thanks.

Well put!

The Rest of World seems infatuated with diesels. Wait until the whole Rest of World (eventually?) experiences diesel fuel prices that exactly match the amount per gallon more of energy that diesel fuel naturally containsAt that time fuel cost per mile will be equal between the two engine technologies ... except diesel engines will be under-horsepowered and overweight - thus reducing the vehicle GVWR available for the motorhome's coach structure, and more expensive to buy and maintain once they break ... and they do break.

Besides, horsepower is horsepower and the ONLY torque that counts is drive axel torque - not crankshaft torque, but the diesel fans seem to not know that the job of gears is to make all things equal once the necessary and equal horsepower is built into either of the two engine types.

My Roadtrek wrote:
I'll take the Eco Boost twin turbo over the Diesel.

Right on!

That Eco Boost twin turbo also strikes another blow to diesels - due to it's intake volumetric sustenance from the turbos - it can keep it's horsepower up at high altitudes just like late model turbo diesels do. Diesel fans love to (erroneously/unfairly) compare TURBO diesel engines to NON-TURBO gas engines in the mountains or up grades by noting how much "better their diesels pull" than gassers. It's not the diesel that's doing it ... it's the turbo that is doing it. Ford is maybe going to finally make turbo gas engines available to the light (and medium?) truck world that do their thing at any altitude - just like diesels do.

We just arrived in Quartzite and once again I'm in love with our high-spirited high RPM V10 and it's 5-speed computer controlled transmission when crusing down and up on the highways. In addition, when crawling slowly and safely along in the desert it's 4:56 ratio differential pulls it's 11,800 lbs. just fine ... the same as an equal horsepower diesel would. I can't imagine how awesome the V10 would be with a low range in a 4X4 setup. I'm guessing it would/could match anything an equal horsepower diesel could do - assuming both were properly geared to tap the equal overall horsepower of each.

Well the rest of the world has diesel prices which are higher, than Gas engines, your statement seems confused. No your E350 sounds unpowered , anything can pull a GVWR of 11,800lbs, even a Sprinter. Yes with a low gearing, it would drive up steep hills with a load, but it's modest torque output VERY SLOWLY.
The ECoBoost due to its torque and horspwer delivery would have considerable less GVWR than the Diesel version. That is born out by looking the GVWR Transit compared to the Diesel version

My Roadtrek wrote:
Yep, you can go to the Ford site and Build Your Own with a Diesel. $5K option.
I would think the up-fitters, either on a cut-away or a Van chassis will only use the Eco Boost, or the Diesel engines.
Diesel here is a running around a $1 more a gallon than gas. :(
I'll take the Eco Boost twin turbo over the Diesel.

Which explains the low uptake, the higher price of diesel . Moot point when running a High end Dp Pusher Clas A

rjstractor wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
It does not as yet have a Diesel option

Not sure where you heard that, but the website clearly shows 3 engine options, one of which is a 5 cylinder 3.2 liter diesel.

I know that, but very few if any are using them. the diesel has a greater GVWR than the Ecoboost

carringb wrote:
We get it. You don't like gas motors. Guess what? Most people on this continent do. Pay more for less power? No thanks.

Well put!

The Rest of World seems infatuated with diesels. Wait until the whole Rest of World (eventually?) experiences diesel fuel prices that exactly match the amount per gallon more of energy that diesel fuel naturally contains. At that time fuel cost per mile will be equal between the two engine technologies ... except diesel engines will be under-horsepowered and overweight - thus reducing the vehicle GVWR available for the motorhome's coach structure, and more expensive to buy and maintain once they break ... and they do break.

Besides, horsepower is horsepower and the ONLY torque that counts is drive axel torque - not crankshaft torque, but the diesel fans seem to not know that the job of gears is to make all things equal once the necessary and equal horsepower is built into either of the two engine types.

My Roadtrek wrote:
I'll take the Eco Boost twin turbo over the Diesel.

Right on!

That Eco Boost twin turbo also strikes another blow to diesels - due to it's intake volumetric sustenance from the turbos - it can keep it's horsepower up at high altitudes just like late model turbo diesels do. Diesel fans love to (erroneously/unfairly) compare TURBO diesel engines to NON-TURBO gas engines in the mountains or up grades by noting how much "better their diesels pull" than gassers. It's not the diesel that's doing it ... it's the turbo that is doing it. Ford is maybe going to finally make turbo gas engines available to the light (and medium?) truck world that do their thing at any altitude - just like diesels do.

We just arrived in Quartzite and once again I'm in love with our high-spirited high RPM V10 and it's 5-speed computer controlled transmission when crusing down and up on the highways. In addition, when crawling slowly and safely along in the desert it's 4:56 ratio differential pulls it's 11,800 lbs. just fine ... the same as an equal horsepower diesel would. I can't imagine how awesome the V10 would be with a low range in a 4X4 setup. I'm guessing it would/could match anything an equal horsepower diesel could do - assuming both were properly geared to tap the equal overall horsepower of each. ;)

Yep, you can go to the Ford site and Build Your Own with a Diesel. $5K option.
I would think the up-fitters, either on a cut-away or a Van chassis will only use the Eco Boost, or the Diesel engines.
Diesel here is a running around a $1 more a gallon than gas. :(
I'll take the Eco Boost twin turbo over the Diesel.

RobertRyan wrote:
It does not as yet have a Diesel option

Not sure where you heard that, but the website clearly shows 3 engine options, one of which is a 5 cylinder 3.2 liter diesel.

carringb wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Could be if they come out with the diesel variant, the Gas engine choice is poor. Could not imagine a Class A variant withose engines like the I.e Via

Uh, it already has a diesel option, in addition to the standard V6 and the twin-turbo V6.

We get it. You don't like gas motors. Guess what? Most people on this continent do. Pay more for less power? No thanks.

You do not get it, non-existent outside NA. It does not as yet have a Diesel option, but if they decide to do a Via like version it will. The Winnebago Via, does not have a gas option

RobertRyan wrote:

Could be if they come out with the diesel variant, the Gas engine choice is poor. Could not imagine a Class A variant withose engines like the I.e Via

Uh, it already has a diesel option, in addition to the standard V6 and the twin-turbo V6.

We get it. You don't like gas motors. Guess what? Most people on this continent do. Pay more for less power? No thanks.

ronfisherman wrote:
Went to Barrett-Jackson Auction in Scottsdale, AZ yesterday. Lots of cars and trucks. One item that caught my eye was a Transit Van.

It had a label on it stating it was a Prototype.
This would be a class B. But I can see it as a replacement for the Sprinter based Class C's.

Could be if they come out with the diesel variant, the Gas engine choice is poor. Could not imagine a Class A variant withose engines like the I.e Via