Quality Class A makers

Effy wrote:

lanerd wrote:

Effy wrote:

lanerd wrote:

Effy wrote:
Unless I missed something, OP isn't talking about 40'+ DP's. He asked about 30'. Typically that means entry level gas.

Good point! But "my" point was that you can't judge the quality of a certain make or model by hear say or a single experience and that you can get good ones or bad ones with any brand. Size has nothing to do with it.

Ron

Actually size has a lot to do with it. As you move up the food chain, quality improves and the brands drift further apart as to whose quality is better. At the entry level, the differences in quality is minimal at best. I understand the point about judging based on experiences and it's a valid one.

So, you're saying that a 36' Tiffin Allegro Bus is cheaper built than a 38' Tiffin Allegro Bus or a 45' Tiffin Allegro Bus. Many other brands also have different sizes within the same model name. Typically the model appointments, engine, chassis, etc... are all the same throughout that particular model....just more space for storage inside and out. The quality is the same, just the size is different.

Granted for instance, a Monaco Caymen has less quality than a Monaco Signature...but they are two entirely different motor homes that just happen to be built by the same manufacture.

We are getting off the topic of the OP's original question.

Ron

Ron

That's not what I am saying. I am saying that a 40' tiffin or Newmar is a different build quality than a 40' Thor Tuscany. Different BRANDS have a wider spread of quality at the top than the bottom. But if you lined up an ACE, Bay Star Sport, Vista, Mirada, Precept and a Bounder and hid the manufacturer names, you wouldn't be able to tell one brand from another. Some folks make it seem like a particular brand is so superior to others in terms of quality. I say on the entry level it's BS. They are all the same and all of poor quality for what you pay IMHO. Some brands just charge more for the same cheap materials and workmanship. However some are worse at customer service than others and there is the critical piece. In bigger rigs it's easier to tell who made what. At the bottom you pay for brand and maybe more hassle to get stuff fixed.

We all realize there's different quality in an entry level from a high end mh. That's not the point. Poor workmanship is the issue. Workmanship should be the same level regardless of cost.

lanerd wrote:

Effy wrote:

lanerd wrote:

Effy wrote:
Unless I missed something, OP isn't talking about 40'+ DP's. He asked about 30'. Typically that means entry level gas.

Good point! But "my" point was that you can't judge the quality of a certain make or model by hear say or a single experience and that you can get good ones or bad ones with any brand. Size has nothing to do with it.

Ron

Actually size has a lot to do with it. As you move up the food chain, quality improves and the brands drift further apart as to whose quality is better. At the entry level, the differences in quality is minimal at best. I understand the point about judging based on experiences and it's a valid one.

So, you're saying that a 36' Tiffin Allegro Bus is cheaper built than a 38' Tiffin Allegro Bus or a 45' Tiffin Allegro Bus. Many other brands also have different sizes within the same model name. Typically the model appointments, engine, chassis, etc... are all the same throughout that particular model....just more space for storage inside and out. The quality is the same, just the size is different.

Granted for instance, a Monaco Caymen has less quality than a Monaco Signature...but they are two entirely different motor homes that just happen to be built by the same manufacture.

We are getting off the topic of the OP's original question.

Ron

Ron

That's not what I am saying. I am saying that a 40' tiffin or Newmar is a different build quality than a 40' Thor Tuscany. Different BRANDS have a wider spread of quality at the top than the bottom. But if you lined up an ACE, Bay Star Sport, Vista, Mirada, Precept and a Bounder and hid the manufacturer names, you wouldn't be able to tell one brand from another. Some folks make it seem like a particular brand is so superior to others in terms of quality. I say on the entry level it's BS. They are all the same and all of poor quality for what you pay IMHO. Some brands just charge more for the same cheap materials and workmanship. However some are worse at customer service than others and there is the critical piece. In bigger rigs it's easier to tell who made what. At the bottom you pay for brand and maybe more hassle to get stuff fixed.

Effy wrote:

lanerd wrote:

Effy wrote:
Unless I missed something, OP isn't talking about 40'+ DP's. He asked about 30'. Typically that means entry level gas.

Good point! But "my" point was that you can't judge the quality of a certain make or model by hear say or a single experience and that you can get good ones or bad ones with any brand. Size has nothing to do with it.

Ron

Actually size has a lot to do with it. As you move up the food chain, quality improves and the brands drift further apart as to whose quality is better. At the entry level, the differences in quality is minimal at best. I understand the point about judging based on experiences and it's a valid one.

So, you're saying that a 36' Tiffin Allegro Bus is cheaper built than a 38' Tiffin Allegro Bus or a 45' Tiffin Allegro Bus. Many other brands also have different sizes within the same model name. Typically the model appointments, engine, chassis, etc... are all the same throughout that particular model....just more space for storage inside and out. The quality is the same, just the size is different.

Granted for instance, a Monaco Caymen has less quality than a Monaco Signature...but they are two entirely different motor homes that just happen to be built by the same manufacture.

We are getting off the topic of the OP's original question.

Ron

Ron

Class A's in the 30' range off the top of my head - in no particular order:
Thor ACE, Thor Hurricane, Winnie, Vista, Winnie Brave, Newmar Bay star, Newmar Bay Star sport, Forest River FR3, Forest river Georgetown, Tiffin Allegro Breeze (DP), Tiffin Allegro 31SA, Coachmen Pursuit, Coachmen Mirada, Fleetwood Southwind, Fleetwood Bounder... I may have missed a few but you get the idea. PLENTY of options in the 30' range.

One thing is certain, you ask for folks on here to tell you the best quality brand - 99% of the time the advice will be what they own. Even if their experience is based on a model or year nowhere close to what you are looking for.

Not many choices in a Tiffin at the 30' length. Same with Newmar. Mostly 34'-45' long. IMO, your best choice at that length is Winnebago. Lots more to choose from.

lanerd wrote:

Effy wrote:
Unless I missed something, OP isn't talking about 40'+ DP's. He asked about 30'. Typically that means entry level gas.

Good point! But "my" point was that you can't judge the quality of a certain make or model by hear say or a single experience and that you can get good ones or bad ones with any brand. Size has nothing to do with it.

Ron

Actually size has a lot to do with it. As you move up the food chain, quality improves and the brands drift further apart as to whose quality is better. At the entry level, the differences in quality is minimal at best. I understand the point about judging based on experiences and it's a valid one.

Effy wrote:
Unless I missed something, OP isn't talking about 40'+ DP's. He asked about 30'. Typically that means entry level gas.

Good point! But "my" point was that you can't judge the quality of a certain make or model by hear say or a single experience and that you can get good ones or bad ones with any brand. Size has nothing to do with it.

Ron

We had 10 years of worry-free full-timing with our Newmar.

Best one I ever had was a Winnebago. Many trouble free miles. I traded it in on a 2015 Newmar Canyon Star. Big mistake. That thing broke nearly every time we tried to use it. After one year and 7000 miles we couldn't take it any longer and sold it back to the dealer at a nice loss.

Unless I missed something, OP isn't talking about 40'+ DP's. He asked about 30'. Typically that means entry level gas.