I just saw a 1999 Winnebago Chief for 16,000 and that is cheap. there are deals out there. a Winnebago Journey with the 330 Cat was 45,000 and I have a friend trying to sell me his brothers Vouge for 30,000 with a 3208 Cat. that is too much for a vehicle that old. but 45 grand for a 2004 is not bad. Though they have the smaller Cummins or Cat. I have a Dodge Avco with the engine in front and it is loud. My Flxible has an 8v71 in the rear with a vestibule built over where the rear seat was and can barely hear the engine. I like that. Also I like the floor in the front flat with no hump/doghouse to be in the way.