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Ivylog
Explorer III
Jul 20, 2014

Replaced the fuel lift pump on my Cummins ISL

On my first day back in the US after three weeks in Canada my ISL started acting like it was starved for fuel... not wanting to make more than 50% power even on small hills. Pulled over and changed the primary fuel filter which did not help and after filling up with fuel I changed the secondary too... still no improvement. Made it into a CG in Whitefish MT and called the Cummins dealer in Kalispell who had the lift pump but was two weeks behind on appointments.:(
Found a truck repair place nearby and after checking them out bought the MH in the next morning for a computer code check... 329 showed up which is a fuel related problem. WE decided it was probably the lift pump so I went and bought it as they removed the old one. What would be an easy job on a truck is a difficult one on a MH even with me helping from above it took five hours. Cranked it up and did a road test with NO CHANGE.:? Ordered a fuel sensor from Portland but on Friday afternoon it would be next Monday afternoon before it would get here.
By then it was 4 o'clock so back to the CG and Mr. Google to search code 329... Step one: replace fuel filters. Step two: check for air in fuel.:S So off to a hardware store for some clear plastic tubing and a pipe nipple to put into the fuel line before the second filter. Ran the New electric lift pump and guess what... little air bubbles in the fuel. Did this four times (one minute each time) and then cranked the engine which resulted in more small bubbles.
Started at the fuel tank checking lines as it's easier to get to. Was able to tighten the line on the fuel pickup slightly but not enough to think that was the problem so removed the pickup part way and found a little rust pitting so cleaned and put tape over that area. Hooked the line back up (not as tight as before as the pickup was part way out of the tank. Cranked and no bubbles:B Removed tape and still no bubbles.:h Re installed and did a test run with four full power accelerations to 65MPH without a hiccup... one up a pretty good hill. :B :B :B
Moral of this: While the lift pump is a know problem area... usually leaking or not building enough pressure, you might want to go by the Cummins trouble shooting guide in the order they recommend. I take pride in usually starting with the easy things first and while I'm glad to have a new lift pump $$$, the $5 in hose and clamps found the problem. :S
  • I'm curious, to have air drawn into the system there must be a vacuum or a lower pressure than atmospheric, to cause this there must be a restriction on the suction side of the pump.

    Have you checked the tank venting?

    this could cause your 30% low pressure readings of the lift pump.
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    Ivylog
    Explorer III
    Yes a slight tightening stopped the leak but when I had tape on the pickup tube (half out of the tank) it was not as tight as when I took it off.
    Yes I kept my old pump (you should see my shop at home and all the stuff) but the rubber gasket was very hard and broke up when we removed the pump from the base. I'll try and buy that gasket and if not make one and add it to the parts I carry with me.
    The new sensor will not be here until tomorrow afternoon... maybe.
    I'm staying over until Monday morning as I have not paid the shop and probably the shipping on the sensor.
    I have a slight problem with the mechanic as it took him 1.5 hours to read the code between starting with the wrong reader and then a computer that only one of the USB ports worked and he was plugged into the wrong one. That may be why they do not like you looking over their shoulder's, even in your own MH. Hopefully I will not have to suggest they take an hour's labor off the bill.
  • On edit: your post above came in before mine.

    Ivylog, excellent post and sorry to hear of the problem.

    I re-read your post again following your steps. So, I'm like Tom, was it that small turn of the pick-up line that was allowing air in?

    Did you get to keep the old lift pump?

    Did you install the new sensor that was ordered?

    MM.

    PS. BTW, I certainly admire you guys who can delve into a problem like that. I did not get that gene. I would be at the mercy of the repair facility.
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    Ivylog
    Explorer III
    Tom/Barb wrote:
    Cummins lift pumps are reasonably easy to see if they are pumping. Disconnect the tank return line, turn on the key, if you get flow, it is working.

    While this is a true statement, it does not tell you how much pressure you have in the system, as much as 120 psi at 2200 rpm. At various RPMs my pressures were all lower than they should have been by about 30%
    hence the decision to replace the pump.
    "Where was the air coming from ? the pick up?"
    The only line I took off was at the pick up which was still very tight although I was able to tighten it slightly (less than 1/12th turn) before I took it off. The pits in the pickup were not deep enough and with a full tank of fuel should have been in the fuel.
    Yes, it concerns me that taking off a line that was tight and putting it back on slightly tighter is what has stopped the bubbles in the fuel line at the second filter. I have not remove the clear tubing yet as I may still need to check for air in the system. Wish me luck. The only slight movement in this fuel line is at the pump where I could not find any sign of a problem.

    *Why 5 hours to change? When I picked up the pump they said all I needed to do was replace the actual pump which is held on by three small screws to the base/bracket so none of the five lines would have to be removed. We did that and when powered up we had a bad fuel leak. Turns out the base was different and we have to put the pump back on it's base and install the complete unit. We spent over and hour trying to get one banjo fitting to start (using a mirror) and finally had to loosen the pump from the engine to get it to start.
    In checking out this shop I asked if I would be allowed in it as I was willing to sign a Release of Liability. They said not a problem and I liked the attitude of the guy that worked on MHs.
  • Cummins lift pumps are reasonably easy to see if they are pumping. Disconnect the tank return line, turn on the key, if you get flow, it is working.

    Where was the air coming from ? the pick up?