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WyoTraveler wrote:
If RVs were required to be built to HUD specs the RV industry would be held to standards, not just thrown together. For example, some of the wiring in RVs are shameful. When my TT almost burned up we found bare wires twisted together in the walls. No crimp connector or insulation just twisted together. Some electrical tape would have helped. One RV turns out OK and the next one gets wires haphazardly spliced in a wall because the employee reached the end of the wire roll. Can't waste wire just twist it together and continue to string wire. Under HUD they would have to install a box at a splice.
What you found was NOT how RV's are built. Someone did not follow the rules at the Factory. But, just because HUD or your local building codes must be followed does NOT mean your new house is built to the standards or code. Somebody can always do sub standard work and those things are not always caught by the Building code inspector. Having HUD rules means nothing. The Feds are not going to have HUD inspectors at the OEM building facilities monitoring the production lines. They do not even monitor HOME builders. They trust that Homes will be built to HUD specs. Dougdougrainer wrote:
WyoTraveler wrote:
If RVs were required to be built to HUD specs the RV industry would be held to standards, not just thrown together. For example, some of the wiring in RVs are shameful. When my TT almost burned up we found bare wires twisted together in the walls. No crimp connector or insulation just twisted together. Some electrical tape would have helped. One RV turns out OK and the next one gets wires haphazardly spliced in a wall because the employee reached the end of the wire roll. Can't waste wire just twist it together and continue to string wire. Under HUD they would have to install a box at a splice.
What you found was NOT how RV's are built. Someone did not follow the rules at the Factory. But, just because HUD or your local building codes must be followed does NOT mean your new house is built to the standards or code. Somebody can always do sub standard work and those things are not always caught by the Building code inspector. Having HUD rules means nothing. The Feds are not going to have HUD inspectors at the OEM building facilities monitoring the production lines. They do not even monitor HOME builders. They trust that Homes will be built to HUD specs. Doug
That is exactly right. For instance, having a UL label does not mean that each electrical appliance is inspected.
Manufacturing facilities are inspected periodically and have to be certified to meet certain standards. After that, it is left to the facility to turn out the product to meet those standards. Sometime QC missed something.dougrainer wrote:
WyoTraveler wrote:
If RVs were required to be built to HUD specs the RV industry would be held to standards, not just thrown together. For example, some of the wiring in RVs are shameful. When my TT almost burned up we found bare wires twisted together in the walls. No crimp connector or insulation just twisted together. Some electrical tape would have helped. One RV turns out OK and the next one gets wires haphazardly spliced in a wall because the employee reached the end of the wire roll. Can't waste wire just twist it together and continue to string wire. Under HUD they would have to install a box at a splice.
What you found was NOT how RV's are built. Someone did not follow the rules at the Factory. But, just because HUD or your local building codes must be followed does NOT mean your new house is built to the standards or code. Somebody can always do sub standard work and those things are not always caught by the Building code inspector. Having HUD rules means nothing. The Feds are not going to have HUD inspectors at the OEM building facilities monitoring the production lines. They do not even monitor HOME builders. They trust that Homes will be built to HUD specs. Doug
Exactly, standards are one thing but workmanship is something altogether different. Besides aren't most RV's built to RVIA standards?- RV's are not 'Homes'. They may be your home but they do not meet the definition or requirements and regulations of 'Homes'. Even if you full time it is still not a 'Home', it is still an RV.
Anyone who cares about RVing and the RV lifestyle should be rejoicing at the publication of this proposed rule and advocating for its adoption as proposed..... It will keep our RVs rolling for the foreseeable future.....
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This has NOTHING to do with our RV's we use for recreational traveling.
It is about Park Models. Other than being delivered a Park Model does NOT roll down the road on vacation. The 'only' thing it has in common is that Park models are built by many of the same manufacturer of our Recreational Vehicles. That in its sell does not make a Park Model an RV.
HUD has VERY specific guidelines for giving a LOAN on an approved HUD home. Trust me your Class A or Class B is not going to qualify for a HUD loan, nor will your yearly income because you have the money to buy an RV. If there is no loan involved HUD is not involved.The laws and regulations governing the use of RVs are set at the state and especially at the local municipal and county levels, not by HUD...
DUH. This article was just a bunch of rhetoric about nothing that we didn't already know. CG's let people live in RV's and again HUD is not going to give anyone a loan on an RV.bluwtr49 wrote:
dougrainer wrote:
WyoTraveler wrote:
If RVs were required to be built to HUD specs the RV industry would be held to standards, not just thrown together. For example, some of the wiring in RVs are shameful. When my TT almost burned up we found bare wires twisted together in the walls. No crimp connector or insulation just twisted together. Some electrical tape would have helped. One RV turns out OK and the next one gets wires haphazardly spliced in a wall because the employee reached the end of the wire roll. Can't waste wire just twist it together and continue to string wire. Under HUD they would have to install a box at a splice.
What you found was NOT how RV's are built. Someone did not follow the rules at the Factory. But, just because HUD or your local building codes must be followed does NOT mean your new house is built to the standards or code. Somebody can always do sub standard work and those things are not always caught by the Building code inspector. Having HUD rules means nothing. The Feds are not going to have HUD inspectors at the OEM building facilities monitoring the production lines. They do not even monitor HOME builders. They trust that Homes will be built to HUD specs. Doug
Exactly, standards are one thing but workmanship is something altogether different. Besides aren't most RV's built to RVIA standards?
The majority are. BUT, there are some hi line 5th wheels and Regular Trailer makers that are NOT members of the RVIA. But, they still build a quality RV. DougJack_Diane_Freedom wrote:
RV's are not 'Homes'. They may be your home but they do not meet the definition or requirements and regulations of 'Homes'. Even if you full time it is still not a 'Home', it is still an RV.
Exactly. It is also an easy way for states to regulate where RVs can be placed. The days of buying a chunk of land, not in an RV park with restrictions, to park your camper on for year round living(that's 12 months folks) are pretty much gone.rgatijnet1 wrote:
Well said Ronnie I agree!
It does NOT say that the FEDS are not regulating the RV industry. It says that they are not holding RV's to the same standards as HUD. Big difference.
RV's, being a vehicle used on the highways, are regulated by the same federal guidelines used for most vehicles, as far as safety standards, emissions, and so on.wildmanbaker wrote:
OK, that's all fine and good, but, where does this leave the RVs that that are designed for full time occupancy? Is it some designation given by the manufacture or just sales hype? I know that there are quite a few that are designed for full time living, but other than the integrity of the manufacture, what do you have to go on?
It's sales hype. When a RV is labeled for full-time use, you can find many others that have the same build. Full-timers travel in all kinds of RVs. If it's a RV then it's a Recreational Vehicle. Full-timers typically recreate.
