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Dec 07, 2020

Some musings on future power trains

As an owner of a 32ft DP with a Cummins 6.7 diesel and two F150 pickup trucks with 3.5 Ecoboost engines I have long felt that the Ecoboost outperforms the Cummins used in this application, is quieter ...
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I am not saying that the Cummins doesn't have its own merits, it gives great fuel economy and will probably outlast both me and the coach. Despite those Cummins advantages I have wondered how my coach would drive with an EcoBoost in the back in place of the Cummins. Then lately I have been reading reviews of the hybrid version (PowerBoost) and learned that it is a very capable, efficient and quiet generator as well as strong main powerplant. So what would my coach be like with a PowerBoost engine?

First off, you immediately lose 600lbs in engine weight.
Second, you wouldn't need the generator, that save an additional 420lbs and opens up a large storage area.
And, you would probably save $14,000 (serious EWAG here) in equipment costs, not including generator installation.

So what next?
The current version of my coach already comes with an induction cooktop and electric element in the water heater, leaving space heat the only required task for the propane. So lose the propane altogether, opening up more storage and eliminate another 100lbs or so. With only one engine it would be much simpler to use waste engine heat to heat both the cabin and hot water while boondocking or just driving down the road in cold weather.

Use some of the cost savings to invest in a 120V heat pump for the dash heat and air (you could still have the choice of engine heat there if you wanted too). Eliminate the engine driven AC compressor and have another AC available when parked. This shouldn't take anywhere near all of the space created by removing the generator.

Add a 10kwhr of more battery pack so that more efficient use of the hybrid and generator functions can be made, along with possible solar power and even a limited shore power supply. Note here that Elon expects to have battery cost below $100/kwhr soon, if not already.

You could also remove one starting battery and the DEF tank, saving several hundred more pounds and opening up more storage.

The rear axle could go back another foot or more for more stable handling and reduced rear drag.

There should be plenty of room to add 15% more gasoline if range is an issue.

All in all, the only problem I see potential durability issues but since I am only averaging 6,000 miles per year on the coach and my EcoBoost engines have proven very reliable I don't think that would be a problem. You could even detune the PowerBoost to the level of the Cummins if needed and still use the electric drive boost to outperform the current drive train.

Just food for thought. And maybe motivation for a next generation coach that is compatible with current infrastructure. Hopefully the hybrid options become more available and diverse.","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-12-07T05:54:44.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Class A","text":"Class A","time":"2002-04-24T11:23:54.000-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3461329_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":7248},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"As an owner of a 32ft DP with a Cummins 6.7 diesel and two F150 pickup trucks with 3.5 Ecoboost engines I have long felt that the Ecoboost outperforms the Cummins used in this application, is quieter and more responsive. I am not saying that the Cummins doesn't have its own merits, it gives great fuel economy and will probably outlast both me and the coach. Despite those Cummins advantages I have wondered how my coach would drive with an EcoBoost in the back in place of the Cummins. Then lately I have been reading reviews of the hybrid version (PowerBoost) and learned that it is a very capable, efficient and quiet generator as well as strong main powerplant. So what would my coach be like with a PowerBoost engine?

First off, you immediately lose 600lbs in engine weight.
Second, you wouldn't need the generator, that save an additional 420lbs and opens up a large storage area.
And, you would probably save $14,000 (serious EWAG here) in equipment costs, not including generator installation.

So what next?
The current version of my coach already comes with an induction cooktop and electric element in the water heater, leaving space heat the only required task for the propane. So lose the propane altogether, opening up more storage and eliminate another 100lbs or so. With only one engine it would be much simpler to use waste engine heat to heat both the cabin and hot water while boondocking or just driving down the road in cold weather.

Use some of the cost savings to invest in a 120V heat pump for the dash heat and air (you could still have the choice of engine heat there if you wanted too). Eliminate the engine driven AC compressor and have another AC available when parked. This shouldn't take anywhere near all of the space created by removing the generator.

Add a 10kwhr of more battery pack so that more efficient use of the hybrid and generator functions can be made, along with possible solar power and even a limited shore power supply. Note here that Elon expects to have battery cost below $100/kwhr soon, if not already.

You could also remove one starting battery and the DEF tank, saving several hundred more pounds and opening up more storage.

The rear axle could go back another foot or more for more stable handling and reduced rear drag.

There should be plenty of room to add 15% more gasoline if range is an issue.

All in all, the only problem I see potential durability issues but since I am only averaging 6,000 miles per year on the coach and my EcoBoost engines have proven very reliable I don't think that would be a problem. You could even detune the PowerBoost to the level of the Cummins if needed and still use the electric drive boost to outperform the current drive train.

Just food for thought. And maybe motivation for a next generation coach that is compatible with current infrastructure. Hopefully the hybrid options become more available and diverse."},"Conversation:conversation:3461329":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:3461329","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3461329"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2020-12-12T09:35:55.000-08:00","lastPostTime":"2020-12-12T09:35:55.000-08:00","unreadReplyCount":36,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3461329":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3461329","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:3461329_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:3461329_1","lastEditTime":"2020-12-07T05:54:44.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3461347":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:3461347","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3461329"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:369146"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":3461347,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"subject":"Re: Some musings on future power trains","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3461347"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3461329"},"body":"
valhalla360 wrote:
rgatijnet1 wrote:
Perhaps something like today's locomotives. The drive is actually from electric motors with a diesel engine supplying the power. Maybe with some better batteries that can better recapture the lost energy used for braking etc. Throw in some solar and you might reduce the need for diesel power to keep the batteries charged. With the electric drive you have plenty of torque for even the heaviest MH and you should be able to minimize the size of the engine needed to keep the batteries charged.


Diesel/Electric locomotives are a completely different drivertrain with a different purpose.

Direct drive from diesel to wheels would be more efficient. The problem is big slow turning diesels (as in thousands of HP) have a very limited RPM range where they put out good power. To build a mechanical transmission that can handle 3-6,000hp would be large, complex and not very efficient. Then try to link 5 separate engines accelerating simultaneously and the complexity goes up by an order of magnitude.

On the other hand if you use a generator and electric motors as a transmission, you can spin up the diesels to their ideal RPM and then draw power as you need it. Since electric motors can develop max torque from 0 RPM, it's great for starting from 0mph under heavy load. Even better, it's really easy to link the electric motor controls for multiple engines on the same train.

Now they've put a lot of effort into minimizing losses but the real reason is it's effectively just a better replacement for a mechanical transmission. The efficiency advantages to trains come from two primary things. Low rolling resistance (steel wheels on steel rails blows away rubber tires on uneven pavement). Rail cars drafting at 8ft spacing drastically reduces drag compared to the same cargo carried by multiple semis.

In cars and trucks, a mechanical transmission with gears works much better. The loads are small enough and the motors have a wider RPM range where they can generate good usable power. But they operate over a wider range of speeds with more common speed changes. The use of a hybrid system is intended primarily to keep the ICE operating at it's most efficient RPM.


You really over-complicated that. First off there are computers now so synchronizing multiple electric motors is a piece of cake. A train has lower friction on steel rails BUT it still takes a huge amount of torque to get it moving in the first place. Much much more than getting a MH moving, even with rubber tires. Locomotives do not have a bank of batteries to supply power when needed. An electric motor can provide the necessary torque necessary to get it moving and then it will use much less power once the vehicle is moving, just like any diesel or gas engine does with any vehicle. There is no need for a complicated transmission that a diesel or gas engine needs because they have to operate in the engines power band. An electric motor has the necessary torque as soon as the power is applied. Just like the starting torque needed for your AC compressor, or for the starter motor on a diesel engine. With today's battery technology, and with future development, I feel an electric powered RV is there to develope and a diesel back up to charge the batteries is necessary ONLY to increase the range.","body@stringLength":"3443","rawBody":"
valhalla360 wrote:
rgatijnet1 wrote:
Perhaps something like today's locomotives. The drive is actually from electric motors with a diesel engine supplying the power. Maybe with some better batteries that can better recapture the lost energy used for braking etc. Throw in some solar and you might reduce the need for diesel power to keep the batteries charged. With the electric drive you have plenty of torque for even the heaviest MH and you should be able to minimize the size of the engine needed to keep the batteries charged.


Diesel/Electric locomotives are a completely different drivertrain with a different purpose.

Direct drive from diesel to wheels would be more efficient. The problem is big slow turning diesels (as in thousands of HP) have a very limited RPM range where they put out good power. To build a mechanical transmission that can handle 3-6,000hp would be large, complex and not very efficient. Then try to link 5 separate engines accelerating simultaneously and the complexity goes up by an order of magnitude.

On the other hand if you use a generator and electric motors as a transmission, you can spin up the diesels to their ideal RPM and then draw power as you need it. Since electric motors can develop max torque from 0 RPM, it's great for starting from 0mph under heavy load. Even better, it's really easy to link the electric motor controls for multiple engines on the same train.

Now they've put a lot of effort into minimizing losses but the real reason is it's effectively just a better replacement for a mechanical transmission. The efficiency advantages to trains come from two primary things. Low rolling resistance (steel wheels on steel rails blows away rubber tires on uneven pavement). Rail cars drafting at 8ft spacing drastically reduces drag compared to the same cargo carried by multiple semis.

In cars and trucks, a mechanical transmission with gears works much better. The loads are small enough and the motors have a wider RPM range where they can generate good usable power. But they operate over a wider range of speeds with more common speed changes. The use of a hybrid system is intended primarily to keep the ICE operating at it's most efficient RPM.


You really over-complicated that. First off there are computers now so synchronizing multiple electric motors is a piece of cake. A train has lower friction on steel rails BUT it still takes a huge amount of torque to get it moving in the first place. Much much more than getting a MH moving, even with rubber tires. Locomotives do not have a bank of batteries to supply power when needed. An electric motor can provide the necessary torque necessary to get it moving and then it will use much less power once the vehicle is moving, just like any diesel or gas engine does with any vehicle. There is no need for a complicated transmission that a diesel or gas engine needs because they have to operate in the engines power band. An electric motor has the necessary torque as soon as the power is applied. Just like the starting torque needed for your AC compressor, or for the starter motor on a diesel engine. With today's battery technology, and with future development, I feel an electric powered RV is there to develope and a diesel back up to charge the batteries is necessary ONLY to increase the 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