Temporary Import of Class A to Canada

darsben1 wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:
If you want to register a vehicle in Florida, you may incur residency issues with Florida. You cannot title and license a vehicle in the United States unless you are a resident of the state in which it is titled and registered. As a Canadian citizen, you would have to become a legal resident alien of the United States, and then you would have to pay United Sates income tax. I think your 15% HST tax would be cheaper if, and that is a big if, you could even become a resident alien of the United States.

You do not have to be a resident in Arizona to register a vehicle in Arizona. I am legally a New York resident and have
1 car
1 motor home
1 Fifth wheel
and
1 ATV licensed in Arizona using my NY address as my mailing address and the RV park address as the local address

You missed my point. In your case, Arizona could make the claim that you have declared yourself a resident and now have claim that you owe taxes to the state as any other resident.

In the OP's case, the United States could make the claim that he is trying to establish himself as a resident, and could claim he has failed to file appropriate IRS returns, immigration could jail him, and deport him with instructions to never return to the U.S.

As an attorney, I can tell you there are sometimes extreme consequences for simple legal processes we do all the time (like registering a vehicle). All it takes is a bureaucrat to get a little out of control and all he11 breaks loose.

I again will offer this advice. DO NOT listen to jax dad. He is usually wrong and **** stubborn. Funny how in other threads he chastises people for not following the law and now is suggesting that you can break the law!!! For an ordinary citizen you cannot legally drive a MH in Canada that has foreign plates. Rentals are a whole other thing. You can drive it to your house to load items or do repairs. If you want a ruling on this subject just send a snail mail to the following: CRA, CBP and your local Canadian DMV.

Moisheh

gutfelt wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

bob_nestor wrote:
But if you hold dual citizenship as you say then why not cross into Canada on your US passport and avoid the whole issue? Or is that against Canadian Law to enter Canada as a Canadian citizen under a different countries passport?

Anyway, is sounds like you have a way around the Canadian vehicle import restrictions given that you're also a US citizen even though you're also a Canadian citizen.

Yes, it’s against the law for a Canadian to enter Canada except on a Canadian passport or other ID.

The same as the law in the US, citizens who hold a second citizenship MUST enter the US with US identification.

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

My business partner enters the usa on his CDN passport not a us one even though hes a dual citizen

Ok, now we’re beyond fantasy and into criminal activity.

Americans with dual nationalitylegalities.

There is ZERO chance an American citizen got across the border on a Canadian passport.

Not the first line of the last paragraph, which they even put in bold type.

“U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.”

Tom/Barb wrote:

gonesouth wrote:


Tom/Barb: I wondered about that as you see UHaul vehicles registered in Nevada here all the time. It turns that they have a special arrangement where the rental outfit reports the mileage monthly along with a cheque covering a proportional share of taxes to each jurisdiction having miles run on their whole fleet. (similar to the way commercial fleets operating in several states or provinces report their mileage and submit fuel taxes monthly. In those cases it's treated as a vehicle that came in through the RIV program. This started as an offshoot of the temporary import rules which I've done in both directions for an employer that had plants on both sides of the border. But the paper burden was outrageous and I'm sure after one month's filings from a rental fleet homeland security and CBPA were crying 'uncle'. The same deal isn't offered to private citizens.

And why can't the little LLC arrange the same agreement?

His milage would be nothing to the payment.

US corporate owned vehicles are allowed in, either for ‘business puposes’ or as a rental, no ‘agreements’ needed.

The only provisio is that beyond a short term a rental attracts Canadian sales tax. No different than renting a US plated U-haul in Canada and paying Canadian tax on it.

DownTheAvenue wrote:
If you want to register a vehicle in Florida, you may incur residency issues with Florida. You cannot title and license a vehicle in the United States unless you are a resident of the state in which it is titled and registered. As a Canadian citizen, you would have to become a legal resident alien of the United States, and then you would have to pay United Sates income tax. I think your 15% HST tax would be cheaper if, and that is a big if, you could even become a resident alien of the United States.

That is not true. In fact there are many people who have multiple houses and keep vehicles at each house while only claiming one as their official residence. Now only is it legal to register those vehicles in those other states, it is mandatory. If I have a vacation house in Florida and I keep a car there and I live in California, it would be illegal for me to put California plates on that car and keep it in Florida.

gonesouth wrote:


Tom/Barb: I wondered about that as you see UHaul vehicles registered in Nevada here all the time. It turns that they have a special arrangement where the rental outfit reports the mileage monthly along with a cheque covering a proportional share of taxes to each jurisdiction having miles run on their whole fleet. (similar to the way commercial fleets operating in several states or provinces report their mileage and submit fuel taxes monthly. In those cases it's treated as a vehicle that came in through the RIV program. This started as an offshoot of the temporary import rules which I've done in both directions for an employer that had plants on both sides of the border. But the paper burden was outrageous and I'm sure after one month's filings from a rental fleet homeland security and CBPA were crying 'uncle'. The same deal isn't offered to private citizens.

And why can't the little LLC arrange the same agreement?

His milage would be nothing to the payment.

JaxDad wrote:

bob_nestor wrote:
But if you hold dual citizenship as you say then why not cross into Canada on your US passport and avoid the whole issue? Or is that against Canadian Law to enter Canada as a Canadian citizen under a different countries passport?

Anyway, is sounds like you have a way around the Canadian vehicle import restrictions given that you're also a US citizen even though you're also a Canadian citizen.

Yes, it’s against the law for a Canadian to enter Canada except on a Canadian passport or other ID.

The same as the law in the US, citizens who hold a second citizenship MUST enter the US with US identification.

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

My business partner enters the usa on his CDN passport not a us one even though hes a dual citizen

bob_nestor wrote:
But if you hold dual citizenship as you say then why not cross into Canada on your US passport and avoid the whole issue? Or is that against Canadian Law to enter Canada as a Canadian citizen under a different countries passport?

Anyway, is sounds like you have a way around the Canadian vehicle import restrictions given that you're also a US citizen even though you're also a Canadian citizen.

Yes, it’s against the law for a Canadian to enter Canada except on a Canadian passport or other ID.

The same as the law in the US, citizens who hold a second citizenship MUST enter the US with US identification.

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

gutfelt wrote:
all I know for fact the below is untrue and totally illegal;; there is as I posted a Form E29B, Temporary Admission Permit, that is required if your not enrolled in the RIV program that will allow you to bring a us vehicle into Canada and only good for 30 days.

So then all you know is wrong. The E29B is ONLY for people not normally resident in Canada like students going to school here or people working temporarily in Canada. It CANNOT be used for Canadians who reside in Canada.

gutfelt wrote:
OK now all the BS lets PLEASE just STOP I mean come on how stupid do you think people are here ?? you never ever revealed your a US citizen honest to god man this is crazy posting on your part

In your case? Oh never mind.

I’m almost afraid to see the reply, but how does a second citizenship have ANYTHING to do with entering Canada as a Canadian who resides in Canada?

gutfelt wrote:
and unless you have been filing US tax returns all along you will soon be getting a huge US tax fine and bill under the newest US tax law

Ok, now I KNOW you have no clue what you’re talking about!

Even as just a Canadian citizen owning property in the US you have to file a US tax return every year, period.

gutfelt wrote:
My business partner is a dual citizen and he wont dare go stateside this winter till hes done his total 20 year declaration and filed his last 20 us tax returns and renounced his US citizenship;; theres a time frame been allowed for people to do this without fines and any tax owed etc by US IRA .Its costing him $5K

Ok, now we’re getting into fantasy.

As a US citizen, same as in Canada for Canadians, you MUST file a tax return every year. If you as a Canadian fail to disclose income earned, even in a foreign country, on your tax return you can face sever penalties, possibly jail. You do however get credit for foreign taxes paid to avoid double taxation.

So now you’re saying he can now just file 20 years of returns, wave his hand, click his heels, burn his passport and everything he’s done wrong and any back-taxes, penalties and interest just go away?

Wow.

My business partner is a dual citizen and he wont dare go stateside this winter till hes done his total 20 year declaration and filed his last 20 us tax returns and renounced his US citizenship;; theres a time frame been allowed for people to do this without fines and any tax owed etc by US IRA .Its costing him $5K