VW Deisel

Does V.W. make a diesel motorhome available in the U.S.? If the answers no,then for this forum I care not.Now, if you would like to turn this discussion into an indictement against the growing militancy of the EPA and crushing regulation from our government in general that eats away at our daily freedoms and ability to stand toe to toe with the up and coming economic powerhouses of China and India,then you have my ear. V.W.. Fighting the man.

For those playing the home game:


EPA discovers similar defeat software in some model year diesel 3.0 6 cyl used in Porsche and Audi model series 2014~2016

adding at least another 10,000 2014, 2015 USA vehicles to the list.
the number of 2016 models is unknown and it is likely that 2016 models will be held from the market as with the 2016 VW's

VW shares have come up about 10% the past week,( after a 40% drop) this may reverse that recovery

UK has about 1.2 million vehicles affected incl. VW family brands SEAT and Skoda sharing same series 4 cyl diesels- now add the 3.0's...


Mike

RobertRyan wrote:
John& Angela,
Going to Scandinavia next year, so find out what they are doing. Have been before. I think more Hybrids in stead of Petrol and the same number of Diesels.
Copenhagen has Bicycles, so does Amsterdam.Rome Mopeds and tiny cars. Other Cities in Europe vary.from one to the other.
Travel distances are shorter and they use high speed trains a lot

I remember getting off the train the first time in Harlem in Holland (our favourite town there) and seeing literally hundreds if not thousands of bikes outside the station. I said to Angela, "they must have some kind of event going on". Nope. Thats just daily traffic. :) Love holland but the climate is a little too cold for us. Now Sevilla Spain. Thats another story. Still looking at retirement options there...but that is about 10 years away. In the mean time we'll just keep heading south to SOCAL area for the winter.

I think we found a VW igolf on a lot. Thinking about heading out for a look in a week or two. We are not buyers until after we spend our year in europe (why buy it to store it) but it should be fun to check it out.

RobertRyan wrote:

Travel distances are shorter ...

what's that quote- comparing the British to Americans...something like:

British think 100 miles is a long distance

Americans think 100 years is a long time




Completely different needs


I recently had a recall notice for my Prius, requiring re-calibration of the ECM.
One part of the notice concerned the part where registration renewal was contingent on this service being done.

That policy could be applied to the VW debacle.

Mike

John& Angela,
Going to Scandinavia next year, so find out what they are doing. Have been before. I think more Hybrids in stead of Petrol and the same number of Diesels.
Copenhagen has Bicycles, so does Amsterdam.Rome Mopeds and tiny cars. Other Cities in Europe vary.from one to the other.
Travel distances are shorter and they use high speed trains a lot

RobertRyan wrote:

John & Angela wrote:
True on the tow thing. I actually can.t remember seein anything like a pick up there...all the caravans were being towed by cars. They are also big time into motor homes.

Having said that at least some country's will be approaching 50 percent of sales as electric in the next few years. In Norway they are using promises of free gas for a year just to keep gas sales up. Gas companies idea. What a surprise.

What is range threat?

Looks like Norway has the EV thing in Europe

Norway has long been pretty out front when it comes to addressing private transportation. The government offers hefty incentives for electric vehicles, making Norway a veritable piggy bank for companies like electric-vehicle maker Tesla. In fact, the country was so aggressive with plug-in vehicle incentives that the 50,000-vehicle threshold for plug-in incentives was reached this year, two years ahead of schedule. The perks included tax exemptions, extra parking, and bus-lane use, and were designed to capitalize on Norway's glut of hydroelectric power. As a result, there were several months where either the Tesla or the all-electric Nissan Leaf was the country's best-selling vehicle, which is something that'd be totally unheard of here in the States.

There are a half dozen others although not quite as aggresive with the conversion process are well on their way. There is some interesting reading on the mindset behind switching from a fossil fuel based economy to a renewable one. The numbers are similar on each side as far as fossil fuel subsidies vice alternate energy. Both seem to need about the same amount of subsidies and both generate about the same amount of jobs. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over there. The challenges for transportation are different on this side of the pond, longer distances etc. Generally not considered a long term obstacle but they have some R and D challenges in front of them yet. Funny to see how many players that were going to stay out of the EV race are quickly changing their mind as the European and Asian markets take off. Should be an interesting decade.

Saw a BMW i3 yesterday. Parked beside it. Didn't like it. Boxy and goofy looking, also way to big for us. Still waiting to see the new 453 smart electric and the 2017 leaf.

John & Angela wrote:
True on the tow thing. I actually can.t remember seein anything like a pick up there...all the caravans were being towed by cars. They are also big time into motor homes.

Having said that at least some country's will be approaching 50 percent of sales as electric in the next few years. In Norway they are using promises of free gas for a year just to keep gas sales up. Gas companies idea. What a surprise.

What is range threat?

Looks like Norway has the EV thing in Europe

Norway has long been pretty out front when it comes to addressing private transportation. The government offers hefty incentives for electric vehicles, making Norway a veritable piggy bank for companies like electric-vehicle maker Tesla. In fact, the country was so aggressive with plug-in vehicle incentives that the 50,000-vehicle threshold for plug-in incentives was reached this year, two years ahead of schedule. The perks included tax exemptions, extra parking, and bus-lane use, and were designed to capitalize on Norway's glut of hydroelectric power. As a result, there were several months where either the Tesla or the all-electric Nissan Leaf was the country's best-selling vehicle, which is something that'd be totally unheard of here in the States.

RobertRyan wrote:

John & Angela wrote:
True on the toe thing. I actually can.t remember seein anything like a pick up there...all the caravans were being towed by cars. They are also big time into motor homes.

Having said that at least some country's will be approaching 50 percent of sales as electric in the next few years. In Norway they are using promises of free gas for a year just to keep gas sales up. Gas companies idea. What a surprise.

What is range threat?

Will you be stranded without power, range anxiety. Europeans use Motorhomes , specifically Class C's more than NA's, I think more than 50% are Motorhomes.
EV's popular in Scandinavia or some parts of Scandinavia, most of Europe has more than 50% Diesel.
Pickup Trucks are as rare as hens teeth in Europe. They use cars and Vans to tow their Caravans.
Vans and Cab Chassis variants do the job of Pickup Trucks in NA and they are surprisingly effective at doing that. Other jobs heavier done by " Lorries"
For North Americans, these are their "Pickup Trucks" variants of Vans

Ahhh. I think we use the term range anxiety where we are. Yah I suppose but for the most part I think many are using our EV's for known commutes so I'm not too sure if that happens that much. Most of the time we never use more than half our range. We have gone close to the range a few times but have found a charge site to charge at while we were doing something. But yah I suppose. ,, gotta keep an on that meter. :).

John & Angela wrote:
True on the toe thing. I actually can.t remember seein anything like a pick up there...all the caravans were being towed by cars. They are also big time into motor homes.

Having said that at least some country's will be approaching 50 percent of sales as electric in the next few years. In Norway they are using promises of free gas for a year just to keep gas sales up. Gas companies idea. What a surprise.

What is range threat?

Will you be stranded without power, range anxiety. Europeans use Motorhomes , specifically Class C's more than NA's, I think more than 50% are Motorhomes.
EV's popular in Scandinavia or some parts of Scandinavia, most of Europe has more than 50% Diesel.
Pickup Trucks are as rare as hens teeth in Europe. They use cars and Vans to tow their Caravans.
Vans and Cab Chassis variants do the job of Pickup Trucks in NA and they are surprisingly effective at doing that. Other jobs heavier done by " Lorries"
For North Americans, these are their "Pickup Trucks" variants of Vans

stan909 wrote:
Why do we care? Does VW sell a Diesel van rv I'm not aware of?

Exactly! When it gets to the point that my main worry is over if some company screwed with the emissions testing of my diesel...I'll pull the plug!