Winnebago Electric Motorhome on a F-53 chassis

Chainwright wrote:

irishtom29 wrote:

Chainwright wrote:


You're right. For many that's a pretty penny. But F250 Heavy duty Ford trucks are $60k to $75K+. So nothing we're not used to. JMHO

A new F-250 starts at $33,150.

Your Regular cabs at Red McCombs start at 36K MSRP. But this is pretty much a Crewcab. I'm talking MSRP with out discounts and Rebates. But I double ck'd on Red's website. What's your source?

On the Ford web site, a 2019 F 250 is $33,245.00 cash. This is the MSRP. The highest price is $86,600, more than we paid for our S&B or our Class A MH. I haven't checked lately, but you could get a over the road tractor for less than that.

irishtom29 wrote:

Chainwright wrote:


You're right. For many that's a pretty penny. But F250 Heavy duty Ford trucks are $60k to $75K+. So nothing we're not used to. JMHO

A new F-250 starts at $33,150.

Your Regular cabs at Red McCombs start at 36K MSRP. But this is pretty much a Crewcab. I'm talking MSRP with out discounts and Rebates. But I double ck'd on Red's website. What's your source?

Chainwright wrote:


You're right. For many that's a pretty penny. But F250 Heavy duty Ford trucks are $60k to $75K+. So nothing we're not used to. JMHO

A new F-250 starts at $33,150.

FloridaRosebud wrote:

BigRabbitMan wrote:

wildmanbaker wrote:
In 15 years, there may not be an ICE in passenger cars, but pickups.... I doubt it, let alone anything larger that works for a living.

The working vehicles are coming:Rivian Pickup and SUV with 400 mile range.

I saw at the LA auto show. They are doing it right! It has been 9 years in the making. Just unveiled this year.

Looks interesting...but....they are still over a year from production. Specs say 260 to 440 mile range, and a price after the federal tax rebate of $65,000 and up. As an electrical engineer (for over 37 years - holy **** I'm getting old) the issue is really charge rate. If you could go say 250 miles, then have lunch while recharging, then go another 250 miles, all for less than $40,000 or so we would have a winner. However, we are not yet there. I have a couple of friends with Teslas, and their range is about 20% less than was promised. Surprise. They have also said there are not enough charge stations along the interstates to go on long trips right now, so they take their Tahoe or Camry. But it's coming, make no mistake. Remember, the big 3 were against air bags for years and years, yet now we have air bags everywhere. Just a matter of time....

Al

You're right. For many that's a pretty penny. But F250 Heavy duty Ford trucks are $60k to $75K+. So nothing we're not used to. JMHO

Chainwright wrote:
Our Auto industry will be none existent because no one will buy OUR Cars, because they'll be Illegal.

Not many are buying them now, not outside North America.
While I do think that EV's will fair much better in Europe. The distances are much less and they have other means of transportation. They are not as car centric as we are. I would not be at all surprised to see the EU back away from the 2030 date. The technology and infrastructure still has a long way to go.

BigRabbitMan wrote:

wildmanbaker wrote:
In 15 years, there may not be an ICE in passenger cars, but pickups.... I doubt it, let alone anything larger that works for a living.

The working vehicles are coming:Rivian Pickup and SUV with 400 mile range.

I saw at the LA auto show. They are doing it right! It has been 9 years in the making. Just unveiled this year.

Looks interesting...but....they are still over a year from production. Specs say 260 to 440 mile range, and a price after the federal tax rebate of $65,000 and up. As an electrical engineer (for over 37 years - holy **** I'm getting old) the issue is really charge rate. If you could go say 250 miles, then have lunch while recharging, then go another 250 miles, all for less than $40,000 or so we would have a winner. However, we are not yet there. I have a couple of friends with Teslas, and their range is about 20% less than was promised. Surprise. They have also said there are not enough charge stations along the interstates to go on long trips right now, so they take their Tahoe or Camry. But it's coming, make no mistake. Remember, the big 3 were against air bags for years and years, yet now we have air bags everywhere. Just a matter of time....

Al

BigRabbitMan wrote:

wildmanbaker wrote:
In 15 years, there may not be an ICE in passenger cars, but pickups.... I doubt it, let alone anything larger that works for a living.

The working vehicles are coming:Rivian Pickup and SUV with 400 mile range.

I saw at the LA auto show. They are doing it right! It has been 9 years in the making. Just unveiled this year.

This is great news. Now it all depends if Our big 3 auto and big oil will ALLOW this new vehicle to EXIST or if they'll pay off all their politicians on capitol hill to come up with new laws and policies to block Progress, so they can continue to fill their pockets with yesterday's technology.
Thanks Big Rabbit, this just shows that no Single person Knows everything about this technology and the things that are being worked on in the "basements" around the world.
I'm 98% sure that Toyota could come out with a Hybrid truck RIGHT NOW if they wanted to, but because these car companies have Wheeling and dealings with each other (Ford, Honda, GM, Mercedes, Fiat (Dodge), BMW and so on) to keep a foot hold on the World Market and industry, they don't. Good ol' Corporate Politics.

wildmanbaker wrote:
In 15 years, there may not be an ICE in passenger cars, but pickups.... I doubt it, let alone anything larger that works for a living.

The working vehicles are coming:Rivian Pickup and SUV with 400 mile range.

I saw at the LA auto show. They are doing it right! It has been 9 years in the making. Just unveiled this year.

Brett is right, I'm guilty. Not only power generation, but the battery manufacturing is a dirty affair. You can compare the lithium batteries to our deep cycle batteries. Their is a limit to how far they can be discharged. Unlike lead acid batteries, the voltage of the lithium batteries remains fairly constant until they are over discharged. My experience with them is once they are over discharged, they are ruined. This is why the electric and hybrid have such expensive and completed control systems, and cooling to the batteries and controls. If it is a all electric vehicle, what about the steering, and AC? Will there be an extra battery to run these things, or a pony motor to operate these, or a generator to help some of the load? Yes, these problems have been solved in cars which weigh less than 5,000 lbs. We do have a hybrid and everything is electric, steering, brakes, AC, trunk, seats. In the summer, we get about 36 mpg, when not using the AC we get near 40 in town, and between 42 and 44 mpg on the highway. Point is the engine runs more in the summer because of the AC use. In 15 years, there may not be an ICE in passenger cars, but pickups.... I doubt it, let alone anything larger that works for a living.

OK, how about we quit the "finger pointing"/quibbling and get back to discussing the physics and emissions ramifications of EV's for RV use.

Yes, the emissions discussion HAS TO INCLUDE producing the electricity or we have fallen prey to .... advertising.

And, yes, ability to recharge those huge batteries has to be a consideration. Not even politicians or environments can defy physics-- enough energy to run a vehicle of the dimensions/weight of an RV for XX miles WILL require a lot of energy-- source INdependent.