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Travlingman
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Oct 23, 2018

Fear Aggression

Our lab of 16 years passed away this past January. The first of August we adopted a roughly 2 year old lab mix from a rescue organazation. We know she was from a divorce couple and neither wanted her. For the first week she was friendly toward meeting new people, usually would go straight to laying on her back with legs up in a submissive position. But after the first week she would start to growl when a person came up. On walks she would be scared of a bird flying from a tree, cows, about everything. The growling at people turned into actual agreession with her trying to bite the vet on her visit.

I took her to a dog trainer/behaviolist and his first statement when he saw her was that she was scared. When he tried to walk her she went after him and I mean for blood. He said that from his obervation that she had never been socialized and showed signs of abuse. He also said that training might aliviate the problem some, but she would always have to be watched as she could never be trusted.

We know from her actions at home that she has been abused. If my wife picks up a shoe she will cower like she is about to be hit. She wouldn't even go into the bathroom at first so we figure that she must have been confined to a small room. With us, she is very loving. Wants to be an 85 pound lap dog. She has never shown agression to me, but has barked at the wife, so we think her abuser was a woman.

The trainer has offered training, but at over $2000 and with him saying he couldn't guarantee, I have a hard time going with that.

I am trying to socialize her to people by taking to Lowes or other stores and letting her walk around but making sure to keep people at a distance.

I have looked at a basket muzzle and wanted to know if anyone has tried these and had good luck? Was thinking maybe with this she could get closer to people, some petting her and show there is nothing to be afraid of.

Has anyone had a dog with fear agression and what did you do? Is it cureable? The only other change since we got her was that we changed the food she was on at rescue, Purina One to Taste of the Wild. Don't think food could cause this.

Taking her back to rescue it not an option for us, as we made a commitment to her and will not give up.

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  • I had a dog, a rescue, that we were sure was abused. He was great with us for the first six months, then put me in the ER twice with face bites. I was totally lost. Then my vet suggested an animal behaviorist.

    This man was a miracle worker. He explained to me why the dog was doing what it was doing and how to correct it. Forget all the things you "think" will work. Dogs do not have logic. We want to think logically, like exposing them to environments, etc. Dogs have no clue about this. It could be you are exposing him to things that will only make him more fearful.

    I think the trainer you went to is not the right fit. My contact told me I could save my dog's life, but it required a commitment from me. . . not the dog and not the trainer. Never once did he say my dog's case was hopeless and it would never work. He did all his consultation over the phone, gathering info about my dog and me and what I was doing, etc. Two sessions totaling $120 was what it cost me to learn how to redirect my dog's behavior. A bargain.

    It's been so many years ago, I don't know if that behaviorist is still around. He was a veterinarian who later exclusively did animal behavior.

    I know a lot of people don't like Cesar Milan, but a lot of the techniques my guy used were similar and worked just as well as Cesar's and this was years before Milan came on the scene. When my sister was having great difficulty with her one dog, she downloaded episodes that pertained to the behaviors she wanted to change and worked those with her dog. It worked for her.

    I would try that first. I truly believe the best solution is for the owners to work with their dog, instead of a stranger. And I wouldn't want anyone beating my dog into submission. Incidentally, my guy asked me if I had hit my dog. I have to confess when he ripped my lip apart, I did hit him. Not hard and only once. The vet said. . . "Well, the next time, he will bite HARDER because in his mind he didn't get his point across." Most fearful dogs do not trust their owner to take care of them, so they become aggressive to compensate.

    I would run from the trainer you first contacted. Try some of Cesar's video's. Then ask your vet for recommendations. The right behaviorist is the one who has YOU make the behavior modifications.

    I agree with Dr. Doug. While my dog didn't need any meds, it was important to deal with the vet professional. Also, as I am sure, the vet has ruled out any medical problems.


    Good luck and thanks for not giving up on your dog.

    Dale
  • Training a dog when they are scared is a difficult/impossible task. That's just not how the brain works. When the fear overloads the brain and body with the chemicals that naturally occur in that condition, learning doesn't occur.

    You need to immediately get in touch with a veterinary behaviorist. These situations can usually be dealt with by combining drugs that moderate the brain activity to minimize or lessen the fear response combined with the training. Just training alone, or just medication alone is not the best way forward.

    Doug, DVM
  • Old-Biscuit wrote:
    Oh great....

    Known aggressive dog and you are taking her to Lowes and other stores.
    Are you kidding??

    That was my first reaction as well. I get wanting to socialize her, but needs to be done by a professional.

    Mike
  • Oh great....

    Known aggressive dog and you are taking her to Lowes and other stores.
    Are you kidding??

    First off you are putting others at RISK
    This dog does not belong at Lowes, other stores, ANY store...she is NOT a 'Service Dog' nor an emotional support dog

    She needs licensed training

    And you need to stop exposing PEOPLE to injury/danger who have no clue she is aggressive----until it is too late!

    And you need to watch her around your wife very closely.


    I applaud your commitment to a rescue dog. All of ours have been rescue dogs.
    BUT you really need to rethink what you are doing and how you are going about it.

    Professional licensed training.....get it.