Windows 7 and live mail

AsheGuy wrote:
Microsoft is simply moving into this better world with their gmail-like web-based email system.

I use gmail with a real client, not web-based.

Sam Spade wrote:

joebedford wrote:

I won't use webmail.

Why ?
It's just another form of email client.

Because webmail is usually littered with all kinds of advertizing and I find that very annoying.

Besides, having a real email client allows more flexibility dealing with messages IMHO.

AND, I like having my email on my PC not "out there somewhere". I'm not a fan of "cloud anything" (well, I really liked Cloud Atlas but that's something completely different).

Well it finally happened MS killed my link form Outlook to WLM. I downloaded OE Classic and at first was impressed. But you have to change your Outlook POP setting. This causes havoc with Outlook on an Android phone. OE Classic also lacks a way to open the program when you Are on a website and click Contact. Tech support is fast but English is not his first language and he is hard to understand. A Techie. Today I saw an email client called RunasXP. You get a modified version of the famous Outlook Express. Has anyone tried this? I don't like Thunderbird and most of the other clients get really bad reviews. Darn MS!!!

Moisheh

But when you go Outlook.com you do not have your contacts.

Moisheh

In Windows/10 I clicked on file explorer then clicked on My Computer, then clicked Programs found Iexplore.exe right clicked and pinned it to my taskbar or start menu if you prefer. It is Internet Explorer 11 and it will come up on the top left as Outlook.com. Sign In; hope this helps and I did the steps right. Some have said just type Iexplore.exe in the search box!

thestoloffs wrote:
Sorry, my friend, but you're a bit overzealous in your complaint of technological senility. (And, I'm only a decade younger than you.)

Guilty!

thestoloffs wrote:
There are serious elements of functionality that the web-based clients omit: For example, the availability of off-line message storage folders to organize message history in hierarchical folders. As RVers are mobile, you can't or don't always want to have to be on-line to the cloud to retrieve message history.

My smartphone has a wi-fi hotspot so the times that I do not have complete access to my email history via Gmail are so few that there is no justification for any offline backup. And with my documents that I keep on Google and Dropbox cloud storage, it is possible to maintain local copies on my devices that I deem important enough to do so.

thestoloffs wrote:
The issue is not that Microsoft is deliberately trying to push everyone to either a web client e-mail that is OS- or hardware-agnostic, or to a paid subscription to Office 360 in order to obtain Outlook 2016 (which, IMHO, is an even more surpassed relic than WLM).

Instead, it's that they're dropping a synch protocol from the "new and improved" Outlook.com, that is the only remaining synch linkage that WLM uses to update Contacts & Calendars. In fact, WLM users can still use open standards -- either POP3 or IMAP -- to synch their Outlook.com mail.

I have never used Outlook or Outlook.com so I am disinterested in these failures. What little experience I have had with them helped to push me away from Microsoft applications.

I guess there are tradeoffs for each type. I prefer having my email accessible from anywhere at any time so cloud storage makes sense to me. If it's really important I print to a pdf file and stick it in My Documents so I pick it up on my next backup.

Dave

fj12ryder wrote:
Maybe, and maybe not. My relic email client will still have a copy of my email receipts and important emails after the cloud burps and you lose yours. Newer sometimes just means different, not necessarily better.

I have had to inform quite a few disappointed clients that their email and contacts were gone due to a hard drive crash.

fj12ryder wrote:
The cloud is nothing more than a remote storage device, very similar to the mainframe of the early computing days, when there was insufficient storage to keep things on the local clients.

You are correct, it's ironic that the pendulum has swung back to the "mainframe" model. In the "early computing days" there were no clients, only dumb terminals. Storage had nothing to do with it. The cloud is much more than a remote storage device, it is a remote computing device also.

AsheGuy wrote:
Resistance to change is rampant with no recognition of the accompanying loss of benefit in rejecting newer solutions. And newer solutions do not necessarily drop old function, e.g. gmail has a full set of hot keys for those that prefer their use.

Microsoft is simply moving into this better world with their gmail-like web-based email system. I don't like or use Microsoft products (other than the unavoidable need for the Windows platform) but it's simple to see they are trying to avoid being made redundant by gmail and the cloud-based world of like email clients.

Stay with your relic email client but don't try to justify them based on their prior utility. They have been passed by. And not too far down the road something else will come along to supersede current technology

Sorry, my friend, but you're a bit overzealous in your complaint of technological senility. (And, I'm only a decade younger than you.)

There are serious elements of functionality that the web-based clients omit: For example, the availability of off-line message storage folders to organize message history in hierarchical folders. As RVers are mobile, you can't or don't always want to have to be on-line to the cloud to retrieve message history.

The issue is not that Microsoft is deliberately trying to push everyone to either a web client e-mail that is OS- or hardware-agnostic, or to a paid subscription to Office 360 in order to obtain Outlook 2016 (which, IMHO, is an even more surpassed relic than WLM).

Instead, it's that they're dropping a synch protocol from the "new and improved" Outlook.com, that is the only remaining synch linkage that WLM uses to update Contacts & Calendars. In fact, WLM users can still use open standards -- either POP3 or IMAP -- to synch their Outlook.com mail.

Maybe, and maybe not. My relic email client will still have a copy of my email receipts and important emails after the cloud burps and you lose yours. Newer sometimes just means different, not necessarily better.

The cloud is nothing more than a remote storage device, very similar to the mainframe of the early computing days, when there was insufficient storage to keep things on the local clients.