UVW and GVWR and Tow Vehicles

Thanks to everyone...the snark was ignored. I'm kinda understanding now the importance of those other numbers I haven't figured out yet.

Let's go with these numbers on a Jayco I found a good price on:

Weights & Measures
WEIGHTS
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) View Definition 4700
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) View Definition 710
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) View Definition 7500
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) View Definition 2800

And a F150 2.7L 4x4 Lariat
Curb Weight
4,806 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
6,500 lbs
Max Payload
1,694 lbs
2,250 lbs. – Max. payload capacity
8,500 lbs. – Max. towing capability

Anticipated cargo: enough **** to keep one person alive for a week or so, enough **** to keep two dogs alive for a week or so, two dog beds, a decent mattress, one bowl, one plate, one cup (you get the picture), a 9lb road bike, a 15lb mountain bike and a fishing pole with a cheap plastic wally world special tackle box full of spare ****. I'm definitely worried about maxing out the THs GVWR. *snark back*

Based on what I've figured out so far, I'd be good to go, yea?

The other scenario:
Same cargo, same truck, 21ft Desert Fox
Dry Weight (lbs/kg) 6688
Payload Capacity (lbs/kgs) 3712
GVWR (lbs/kgs) 10400
Hitch Weight (lbs/kgs) 1060

Too much, yea?

FFS I can't believe they censor the word "cr@p." My guess is the site is too buggering 'murican so just replace all the censored words with "bollocks" and she'll be right.

saffikeagan wrote:


Let's go with these numbers on a Jayco I found a good price on:

Weights & Measures
WEIGHTS
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) View Definition 4700
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) View Definition 710
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) View Definition 7500
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) View Definition 2800

And a F150 2.7L 4x4 Lariat
Curb Weight
4,806 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
6,500 lbs
Max Payload
1,694 lbs
2,250 lbs. – Max. payload capacity
8,500 lbs. – Max. towing capability

Anticipated cargo: enough **** to keep one person alive for a week or so, enough **** to keep two dogs alive for a week or so, two dog beds, a decent mattress, one bowl, one plate, one cup (you get the picture), a 9lb road bike, a 15lb mountain bike and a fishing pole with a cheap plastic wally world special tackle box full of spare ****. I'm definitely worried about maxing out the THs GVWR. *snark back*

Based on what I've figured out so far, I'd be good to go, yea?

The other scenario:
Same cargo, same truck, 21ft Desert Fox
Dry Weight (lbs/kg) 6688
Payload Capacity (lbs/kgs) 3712
GVWR (lbs/kgs) 10400
Hitch Weight (lbs/kgs) 1060

Too much, yea?

the Jayco's dry trailer and tongue weights are for a stripped-down version of the trailer. Unless you got the UVW off the trailer's yellow factory weight sticker.

why did you list two different payload capacities for the Ford? the correct number is on the truck's drivers door Tires and Loading sticker. it'll say "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs."
a 2.7 F150 isn't going to have a 2250lbs payload capacity. that high of a payload would be a HDPP F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost.

Just go to this Site and you can good reliable information with no snark.

You need to actually weigh your truck at the scale. You will probably find that your ACTUAL weight is a lot more than the curb weight listed on the web. You will have a lot less payload capacity than you think. There is a good chance that you won't have enough payload to cover the tongue weight, not to mention all the stuff you are carrying.

Realize the biggest hurdle will likely be the heavy unloaded tongue weight. These trailers are designed for hauling heavy toys thus designed nose heavy so the “toys” balance it out.
That said, I would have zero concern about putting up to 1500lbs tongue weight on the back of a new 1/2 ton with some wd bars transferring some of the load up front.
I’ll stay out of the weight cops peeing match though!
The variable is not whether the truck will handle it (it will, easily if properly equipped). The variable is, are you ok towing about anything anywhere (mountains where you live) and have sufficient experience to recognize everything included with towing at the upper end of what the truck will handle? Or are you new to the towing game and prefer some extra factor of safety in the tow rig?

Another option, although I like the TH open concept, is you have 2 bicycles. Get a TT, hang the bikes off the back or put them in the truck bed and have zero tongue weight concern.

ppine wrote:
I will never understand the concept of having "just enough" tow vehicle.

How about this - "I ALREADY have a truck. What can I pull with it?"

Not too hard to understand.

kellertx5er wrote:

ppine wrote:
I will never understand the concept of having "just enough" tow vehicle.

How about this - "I ALREADY have a truck. What can I pull with it?"

Not too hard to understand.

Even if you start with the truck, nothing says you have to buy a trailer that it will barely tow, which is what a lot of folks want to do. And they end up with "just enough truck". Which is a bad idea no matter what order you buy them in.

Wish this forum had a thumbs up function. You hit the nail on the head. I've never liked the idea of towing up to he max limits of my truck.

drsteve wrote:

kellertx5er wrote:

ppine wrote:
I will never understand the concept of having "just enough" tow vehicle.

How about this - "I ALREADY have a truck. What can I pull with it?"

Not too hard to understand.

Even if you start with the truck, nothing says you have to buy a trailer that it will barely tow, which is what a lot of folks want to do. And they end up with "just enough truck". Which is a bad idea no matter what order you buy them in.

I'd go with the Jayco, Desert fox is too close to the limits. Buy a good WD hitch and sway control, and go camping.