comparison ST vs LT Goodyear

I think it would be the "Would a two by four across your forehead make a difference?, "Now try to blow holes in that.", "Your phony argument does not hold water." statements that border on personal attack would contribute to the thread closing.

and the beat goes on.....

CKNSLS wrote:

MrVan wrote:




What part of "less than 3 years old with less than 10,000 miles" don't you understand?

The cause of the tread separation was determined by TireCo themselves and they admitted the Mission tires had been defective and provided a whole new set of 5 ST tires, "Freestars", free of charge, which were equally bad and they also failed within three years and less than 10,000 miles. The air gauge used was calibrated against a known good gauge from a tire store that had been calibrated professionally. Now try to blow holes in that. BTW, the same gauge is being used on the LT tires that are now installed on the same 5th wheel. No more problems. No more smoke and mirrors. Your phony argument does not hold water. ST tires in this weight range do not stand up. Admittedly only a personal sample of two sets but 100's of other 5th wheel owners have reported similar results with ST tires. Would a two by four across your forehead make a difference?

Caution-thread closing ahead!

What when a bit of knowledge about the quality of a ST tire is posted it becomes time to close the thread? Chris

MrVan he knows what you are talking about, as he has experienced similar problems many times. He however continues down the same road and tries to get others to follow him. He had a plan to switch to 17.5" wheels and tires a few years ago. When he was challenged on how he could do that and continue to promote ST tires, he backed away from the wheel/tire the upgrade. And the beat goes on! Nothing changes!

Lots of people have reported the same results when switching to LT tires, that is they put tires issues behind them. It is a common and good upgrade when done correctly.

Lucky I have a trailer with a placard that list LT235/85R16E tires. So I do not have to bump heads with the marketing campaign of ST tire companies to try to lock people into their product.

Lastly, if Tireco, knew that the Mission ST tires were problematic(which they did), why did they not do what Michelin has done twice in two years, do a voluntary recall? That is just another reason to use a higher quality tire, you get much better support. Under the BFG Commercial TA recall, Michelin used every tire in their stable and even sent some down the street to get tires from their compedators!

If there has been a class act lately in the tire arena, I would say it has been Michelin.

Chris

MrVan wrote:

FastEagle wrote:

MrVan wrote:

FastEagle wrote:

MrVan wrote:

Most of the ST tire failures have occurred on the load Range E tires that are loaded to near capacity. We had two sets of Load Range E ST tires fail in less than 3 years each set and less than 10,000 miles each set. 3500 lb rated tires on 6,000 lb axles. Both sets were a POS.

Depends on what forum you read. The OE tires on Airstream TTs are almost all 14" & 15". Their OE tires suffer early - less than 3 years - failures and just as often as other forum 16" tires.

It's very hard to sift through all the reported failures and come-up with a common factor.

Could it be the mistreatment at the factory, on the way to the dealer, and then sitting around for a few months on their lots?

Is it the misunderstanding by the trailer owner about the differences between the ST tires and automotive tires?

We are warned over and over again about the need for full sidewall pressures for the ST tires. Then we often see people posting how they manipulate their tire pressures below what has been recommended.

Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures.

The posting beat goes on with very little useful information.

FastEagle

"Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures."


I can provide whatever level of detail on the tires, inflation, temperature, speed or the failure reason you may want. It has been repeated over and over. Tread separation occurred on three of the 4 tires in less than 10,000 miles, less than 3 years, loaded under rated capacity by at least 600 lbs each tire, never went over 62 MPH while tires checked daily to be 80 lbs PSI cold daily. Which one of the phony failure causes: underinflation, overloading or excess speed applies? Tread separation validated by Mission's US Distributor TireCo. The phony arguments don't hold water.

So, are you angry because you're one of the few?

Mission tires have been off the market quite some time now. Maybe you used them too long.

What was the cause of the tread separation?

FastEagle

p.s. You forgot to tell us about how accurate your pressure gauge was/is.

On edit: Look Here for a place to report your validated or otherwise tire failure report.

What part of "less than 3 years old with less than 10,000 miles" don't you understand?

The cause of the tread separation was determined by TireCo themselves and they admitted the Mission tires had been defective and provided a whole new set of 5 ST tires, "Freestars", free of charge, which were equally bad and they also failed within three years and less than 10,000 miles. The air gauge used was calibrated against a known good gauge from a tire store that had been calibrated professionally. Now try to blow holes in that. BTW, the same gauge is being used on the LT tires that are now installed on the same 5th wheel. No more problems. No more smoke and mirrors. Your phony argument does not hold water. ST tires in this weight range do not stand up. Admittedly only a personal sample of two sets but 100's of other 5th wheel owners have reported similar results with ST tires. Would a two by four across your forehead make a difference?

Caution-thread closing ahead!

FastEagle wrote:

MrVan wrote:

FastEagle wrote:

MrVan wrote:

Most of the ST tire failures have occurred on the load Range E tires that are loaded to near capacity. We had two sets of Load Range E ST tires fail in less than 3 years each set and less than 10,000 miles each set. 3500 lb rated tires on 6,000 lb axles. Both sets were a POS.

Depends on what forum you read. The OE tires on Airstream TTs are almost all 14" & 15". Their OE tires suffer early - less than 3 years - failures and just as often as other forum 16" tires.

It's very hard to sift through all the reported failures and come-up with a common factor.

Could it be the mistreatment at the factory, on the way to the dealer, and then sitting around for a few months on their lots?

Is it the misunderstanding by the trailer owner about the differences between the ST tires and automotive tires?

We are warned over and over again about the need for full sidewall pressures for the ST tires. Then we often see people posting how they manipulate their tire pressures below what has been recommended.

Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures.

The posting beat goes on with very little useful information.

FastEagle

"Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures."


I can provide whatever level of detail on the tires, inflation, temperature, speed or the failure reason you may want. It has been repeated over and over. Tread separation occurred on three of the 4 tires in less than 10,000 miles, less than 3 years, loaded under rated capacity by at least 600 lbs each tire, never went over 62 MPH while tires checked daily to be 80 lbs PSI cold daily. Which one of the phony failure causes: underinflation, overloading or excess speed applies? Tread separation validated by Mission's US Distributor TireCo. The phony arguments don't hold water.

So, are you angry because you're one of the few?

Mission tires have been off the market quite some time now. Maybe you used them too long.

What was the cause of the tread separation?

FastEagle

p.s. You forgot to tell us about how accurate your pressure gauge was/is.

On edit: Look Here for a place to report your validated or otherwise tire failure report.

What part of "less than 3 years old with less than 10,000 miles" don't you understand?

The cause of the tread separation was determined by TireCo themselves and they admitted the Mission tires had been defective and provided a whole new set of 5 ST tires, "Freestars", free of charge, which were equally bad and they also failed within three years and less than 10,000 miles. The air gauge used was calibrated against a known good gauge from a tire store that had been calibrated professionally. Now try to blow holes in that. BTW, the same gauge is being used on the LT tires that are now installed on the same 5th wheel. No more problems. No more smoke and mirrors. Your phony argument does not hold water. ST tires in this weight range do not stand up. Admittedly only a personal sample of two sets but 100's of other 5th wheel owners have reported similar results with ST tires. Would a two by four across your forehead make a difference?

RVUSA wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:
Thats not even a credible recommendation.

Sorry, you guys made the rules, I am merely following them.
Remember? All ST's are bad, any LT is better than any ST.

So until Michelin sorts out their LT tire issue I wouldnt touch them even with your trailer. :B

We made some rules ?? Your desperate now and not making any credible sense.

I mentioned the wrong Michelin LT tire type being recalled. The recall was for Michelin mud and snow LT225/75-16 LTX MS which as Me Again mentioned we normally don't use or recommend for using on our RV trailers. The recall has nothing to do with other LTX MS or AS or AT sizes or the XPS Ribs or other Michelin lines of LT tires.

JIMNLIN wrote:
Thats not even a credible recommendation.

Sorry, you guys made the rules, I am merely following them.
Remember? All ST's are bad, any LT is better than any ST.

So until Michelin sorts out their LT tire issue I wouldnt touch them even with your trailer. :B

MrVan wrote:

FastEagle wrote:

MrVan wrote:

Most of the ST tire failures have occurred on the load Range E tires that are loaded to near capacity. We had two sets of Load Range E ST tires fail in less than 3 years each set and less than 10,000 miles each set. 3500 lb rated tires on 6,000 lb axles. Both sets were a POS.

Depends on what forum you read. The OE tires on Airstream TTs are almost all 14" & 15". Their OE tires suffer early - less than 3 years - failures and just as often as other forum 16" tires.

It's very hard to sift through all the reported failures and come-up with a common factor.

Could it be the mistreatment at the factory, on the way to the dealer, and then sitting around for a few months on their lots?

Is it the misunderstanding by the trailer owner about the differences between the ST tires and automotive tires?

We are warned over and over again about the need for full sidewall pressures for the ST tires. Then we often see people posting how they manipulate their tire pressures below what has been recommended.

Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures.

The posting beat goes on with very little useful information.

FastEagle

"Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures."


I can provide whatever level of detail on the tires, inflation, temperature, speed or the failure reason you may want. It has been repeated over and over. Tread separation occurred on three of the 4 tires in less than 10,000 miles, less than 3 years, loaded under rated capacity by at least 600 lbs each tire, never went over 62 MPH while tires checked daily to be 80 lbs PSI cold daily. Which one of the phony failure causes: underinflation, overloading or excess speed applies? Tread separation validated by Mission's US Distributor TireCo. The phony arguments don't hold water.

So, are you angry because you're one of the few?

Mission tires have been off the market quite some time now. Maybe you used them too long.

What was the cause of the tread separation?

FastEagle

p.s. You forgot to tell us about how accurate your pressure gauge was/is.

On edit: Look Here for a place to report your validated or otherwise tire failure report.

FastEagle wrote:

MrVan wrote:

Most of the ST tire failures have occurred on the load Range E tires that are loaded to near capacity. We had two sets of Load Range E ST tires fail in less than 3 years each set and less than 10,000 miles each set. 3500 lb rated tires on 6,000 lb axles. Both sets were a POS.

Depends on what forum you read. The OE tires on Airstream TTs are almost all 14" & 15". Their OE tires suffer early - less than 3 years - failures and just as often as other forum 16" tires.

It's very hard to sift through all the reported failures and come-up with a common factor.

Could it be the mistreatment at the factory, on the way to the dealer, and then sitting around for a few months on their lots?

Is it the misunderstanding by the trailer owner about the differences between the ST tires and automotive tires?

We are warned over and over again about the need for full sidewall pressures for the ST tires. Then we often see people posting how they manipulate their tire pressures below what has been recommended.

Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures.

The posting beat goes on with very little useful information.

FastEagle

"Very seldom does a poster provide information about the validated cause of a tire failure. As a frequent poster in tire forums you will get chastised severely for mentioning under inflation, overloading and excess speed as the cause of failures."


I can provide whatever level of detail on the tires, inflation, temperature, speed or the failure reason you may want. It has been repeated over and over. Tread separation occurred on three of the 4 tires in less than 10,000 miles, less than 3 years, loaded under rated capacity by at least 600 lbs each tire, never went over 62 MPH while tires checked daily to be 80 lbs PSI cold daily. Which one of the phony failure causes: underinflation, overloading or excess speed applies? Tread separation validated by Mission's US Distributor TireCo. The phony arguments don't hold water.