Marcus? Camping World? GSRA? -- um.... disappointed....

Ban the complainers complaining about the complainers...lol

I think it would be a good idea for Mr. Lemonis to host/participate in a real time online discussion forum about GSE, where it's going,the future of RV'ing and let people ask questions, up to and including about the forum and problems with GSE services.

There is a lot good about GSE. But there are also so many areas they seem to be falling down or not taking advantage of all that could be done with parts of the company.

It would be interesting to hear his take on this.

kickstart wrote:
I have a question, on a lot of these forums people get a little testy with each other, have any of you met on the road?

If people from this forum ran across each other in the real world, they most likely would not realize that the other posts on here as their personalities would be way different in person.

Glad to see your still around Marcus.

sh410 wrote:

ScottG wrote:
Giving an accurate account of ones experiences (good or bad) with a company does contribute to this community.
Blind brand loyalty doesn't.

ScottG's above post early in this thread is a statement I totally agree with.

However, after a negative experience has been posted, especially as it relates to GS/CW, almost without fail, others who have had a negative experience will post their displeasure with GS/CW and they will post their displeasure in any thread about GS/CW. IMO expressing displeasure in multiple threads over an extended time is "piling on" or "bashing" that adds very little to the OP and contributes little to this community.

Making fun of someones positive post about GS/CW does nothing to contribute to this community.

I don't think that the Open Roads Forums rise to the issues faced by "Solzhenitsyn, the McCarthy Hearings, Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela". It's about RVing.


While I agree that "this forum is made better by openness, disagreement, dissent and the airing of opinions about appropriate topics related to RV'ing INCLUDING the Good Sam Enterprises group of companies", "bashing" does not.

You are absolutely right that the citation I made is a bit...well, over reaching. But the point was that it is the same attitude that we see on this site about banishing people and limiting what they can say, it's that attitude that still to this day leads to banned books, banned speech and banned protest, not just here in the US but in many places around the world.

The real issue is: What is Bashing. IMO Bashing is PERSONAL, RELENTLESS, and WITHOUT FOUNDATION OR REASON. It is NOT simply that a complaint is repeated, or restated. Too often some people conflate disagreement with "bashing". Others cannot tolerate being disagreed with and thus label anything they don't like "bashing".

In the past week I have read a number of comments like the OP's throughout the forums. There are just some who do not have the self confidence to face disagreement with their personal views. They feel threatened and it makes them uncomfortable.

Bucky Badger wrote:
Dang, I ran out of popcorn:B

Hold everything!! Bucky's got to get more popcorn!! :E

If your throwing the question out to the board ? I have met J-D
He was visiting family just up the road from me.
He offered to stop by and help me put a rear sway bar on my MH.
Nice guy !
Hoping to meet Desert Captain sometime this month if he makes it up this way.

As for the rest of this post , I just kinda speed read through them.

A lot of times I come off like a ^%$# as so do so many others. Some are just dry wit , others are laughing as they type , the other end read comments and wish this jerk was standing in front of them.

We all interpret things differently and comprehend differently.
I usually type my response then reread it a couple times and a lot of times retype it because yeah it does come across a bit harsh.
Others don't and just type and fire at will !

Funny how a lot of times the key board commandos ARE NOTHING like they are in person !
On a Harley forum I belonged to years ago , I got to meet a couple of em ! Oh how they were tripping over themselves and words ... lol

I have a question, on a lot of these forums people get a little testy with each other, have any of you met on the road?

ScottG wrote:
Giving an accurate account of ones experiences (good or bad) with a company does contribute to this community.
Blind brand loyalty doesn't.

ScottG's above post early in this thread is a statement I totally agree with.

However, after a negative experience has been posted, especially as it relates to GS/CW, almost without fail, others who have had a negative experience will post their displeasure with GS/CW and they will post their displeasure in any thread about GS/CW. IMO expressing displeasure in multiple threads over an extended time is "piling on" or "bashing" that adds very little to the OP and contributes little to this community.

Making fun of someones positive post about GS/CW does nothing to contribute to this community.

I don't think that the Open Roads Forums rise to the issues faced by "Solzhenitsyn, the McCarthy Hearings, Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela". It's about RVing.


While I agree that "this forum is made better by openness, disagreement, dissent and the airing of opinions about appropriate topics related to RV'ing INCLUDING the Good Sam Enterprises group of companies", "bashing" does not.

mlemonis wrote:
Let me clear this issue up. This forum is for anyone to share their opinion on any Rv related content. This will never be used to regulate opinions or conversations or censor what people say. I will not however tolerate personal, unprofessional attacks on other posters.

You are also free to criticize any business affiliated with this site.


In fact I use this forum to shop my employees, locations, products I sell in an effort to get better and learn.

I keep this open because I learn something new everyday.


Marcus

Thank you for your post and your open minded attitude. Unfortunately your philosophy is not carried through on the Workamper forum where any negative comment is not allowed by the Moderator. (But that's another story)

I am no apologist or cheerleader for the GSE conglomerate of companies. But neither am I an enemy. I try to be fair in all my posts.

TO THE OTHER POSTERS:

This attitude that disagreement, relating of negative experiences, and complaining about service failures on the part of some part of the GSE companies is somehow "Bashing" is the pinnacle of arrogance.

Banishing people for their Opinions? Isnt that familiar? Ever hear of Solzhenitsyn? the McCarthy Hearings? Martin Luther King? Nelson Mandela? Yes those are notable examples but where does that impulse take root? It takes root right here in the kind of mindset we see in some of the posts. Not only is that attitude beneath us as a people, it's against the very foundation of our system of government and culture.

I am sorry but this forum is made better by openness, disagreement, dissent and the airing of opinions about appropriate topics related to RV'ing INCLUDING the Good Sam Enterprises group of companies.

Nothing would be less instructive, more boring and more useless than a site/forum that was all relentless self aggrandizing cheerleading. An echo chamber of like-minded individuals all telling each other how wonderful things are.

mpierce wrote:
It is the same everywhere. One posts about problems. It makes it sound like the product, company, is junk.

However, what is the % of problems?

How many RV's does Camping World work on every day? Thousands.

So, like ANY repair shop, there will be some problems. With as many as they work on, in total numbers, there will be a lot of problems per day.

The real question is" What is the % of RV's that have repair problems at CW vs at other RV shops?"

You will hear about a lot more at CW, simply because they work on A LOT MORE RV's every day, nationwide.

Numbers don't make a **** if your in the receiving end of a good screwing. The other issue is the time etc. One goes thru to get a satisfactory result.