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- wny_pat1Explorer
camperpaul wrote:
Paul, you are quoting from the CDL study guide. You are not required to have a CDL to operate motorhome. Above 16,000 lb GVWR or GCWR, or towing above 10,000 lb, requires non-commercial Class A, B or C.wny_pat wrote:
That right there makes you exempt from any requirement of the CDL licensing provisions.
I does not exempt you from the requirement for an air brake endorsement when operating a vehicle equipped with air brakes.
On pages 3 & 4 of the training manual you linked to it states:
"1.3 Drivers Exempt from Obtaining a CDL
Under state and federal law, certain drivers are not subject to the requirements of the CDL program. The Federal
Motor Carrier Safety Administration has determined that these exemptions will not diminish the safe operation of
commercial vehicles on the highways.
The following vehicle operators are not required to obtain a CDL:
Farm Equipment Operators — This exemption covers legitimate farm-to-market operations by farmers, not commercial grain haulers. CDLs are not required to operate vehicles:
• Controlled and operated by a farmer, a member of the farmer?s family or an employee;
• Used to transport farm products, equipment or supplies to or from a farm (including nurseries and aquacultures);
• Used within 150 air miles of the farm; and
• Not used in the operations of a common or contract carrier; and
• Used in nursery or agricultural operations.
NOTE: For the drivers of truck-tractor semitrailers, the farmer, his or her spouse and their children, parents on both sides, brothers and sisters on both sides and their spouses operating a truck-tractor semitrailer and meeting the above criteria also are exempted from the CDL Program. These drivers must be at least age 21, and the vehicle must have Farm plates. These drivers are still required to take the appropriate CDL written, skills and road tests to be licensed.
Firefighting Equipment Operators — Because most firefighting organizations have extensive initial training and retraining requirements for their equipment operators, Illinois waives CDL requirements for operators of firefighting equipment owned or operated by or for a government agency, when responding to or returning from an emergency.
Military Vehicle Operators — Operators of military vehicles for military purposes are exempt from obtaining a CDL.
Recreational Vehicle Operators — Recreational vehicle operators, when using the vehicle primarily for personaluse, do not need a CDL."
The only requirement is for a CDL holder to have the air brake training. The quote straight from the Illinois CDL Commercial Driver's License Study Guide clearly states a RV opererator does not need a CDL. - gotsmartExplorer
john&bet wrote:
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I bet my Indiana CDL study guide is exactly like the Ill. one or any other states. Only the cover has been changed to protect the innocent.
:B
Doh! Doh-Doh, Doh. Duuuuuh! - justlouExplorercamperpaul wrote:
1. I was a witness to this event while on duty at the entrance to the campground at Illinois Beach SP.
2. See: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_cdl10.pdf page 62.
I'm not sure what your point is! Page 62 is an overview of air brakes and their operation. It does not say or infer that an air brake endorsement is required to operate an RV with air brakes.
If the Prevost was towed it was for some other reason than not having an air brake endorsement. - john_betExplorer II
Francesca Knowles wrote:
I bet my Indiana CDL study guide is exactly like the Ill. one or any other states. Only the cover has been changed.camperpaul wrote:
justlou wrote:
"Imagine the embarrassment of the owner of a Prevost when he was ticketed and his MH was towed to the impound lot because he didn't have an air brake endorsement on his Illinois "Class D" drivers license."
1. More internet folklore.
2. I have an Illinois class "B" license and have never heard of an air brake endorsement for RV's.
1. I was a witness to this event while on duty at the entrance to the campground at Illinois Beach SP.
2. See: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_cdl10.pdf page 62.
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Why?
That's a study guide for a CDL- put out by the Illinois Secretary of State's office.
As noted before, private recreational vehicles are exempt from the requirement you evidently refer to. Maybe the rig you saw was a charter or something. That would make them subject to the requirement. - camperpaulExplorer
wny_pat wrote:
That right there makes you exempt from any requirement of the CDL licensing provisions.
I does not exempt you from the requirement for an air brake endorsement when operating a vehicle equipped with air brakes. - wny_pat1Explorer
Francesca Knowles wrote:
camperpaul wrote:
justlou wrote:
"Imagine the embarrassment of the owner of a Prevost when he was ticketed and his MH was towed to the impound lot because he didn't have an air brake endorsement on his Illinois "Class D" drivers license."
1. More internet folklore.
2. I have an Illinois class "B" license and have never heard of an air brake endorsement for RV's.
1. I was a witness to this event while on duty at the entrance to the campground at Illinois Beach SP.
2. See: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_cdl10.pdf page 62.
:h
Why?
That's a study guide for a CDL- put out by the Illinois Secretary of State's office.
As noted before, private recreational vehicles are exempt from the requirement you evidently refer to. Maybe the rig you saw was a charter or something. That would make them subject to the requirement.
Long before Page 62, you have Page 3 which states "1.3 Drivers Exempt from Obtaining a CDL — Recreational vehicle operators, when using the vehicle primarily for personal use, do not need a CDL." That right there makes you exempt from any requirement of the CDL licensing provisions. Now there may of been other reasons for the "impounding" of his Prevost! - wny_pat1Explorer
pitch wrote:
NYS did away with Class C drivers license under a NYS law that took effect on July 26, 2005. I gave up my CDL last year since I have no need for it. Currently have a Class D w/R endorsement. There is no endorsement for air brakes, but there is a restrictions for both "Non-Commercial and Commercial" licenses. "L" is no air brakes, "L1" is no air brakes Class A vehicle, and "L2" is no air brakes Class B vehicle. NYS DMV Driver manual - Chapter 01, page 7 and 8 state:
All I can say is it is your duty to do things according to law. It is your duty to do the research and meet the requirements of your state, all other states will accept that. Only non-reciprocal rule I can think of is double towing.
In NY class D passenger is good for any non-commercial combination up to 26000#
If you have air brakes you must get a class C. Class C can be either a C CDL or a C with an R endorsement. Both cover the same equipment and limits,but an R endorsement prohibits commercial use.
"Recreational Vehicle or "R" endorsement - Recreational vehicles, with or without air brakes, are not defined as commercial vehicles. You may apply for an “R” endorsement for your Class D,Class E, or non-CDL Class C driver license to allow you to operate a recreational vehicle (RV) with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of over 26,000 lbs.(11,794 kg).An “R” endorsement also allows you to drive a rental vehicle more than 40 feet in length for the transportation of personal household goods."
If you have a restriction of "L", "L1", or "L2" on your license then you can not use air brakes. I can not find a non CDL provision for a air brake test in NYS drivers testing program. The only testing provision is under the CDL portion of the law, which is not necessary as a motorhome with airbrakes is not a commercial vehicle. - Francesca_KnowlExplorer
camperpaul wrote:
justlou wrote:
"Imagine the embarrassment of the owner of a Prevost when he was ticketed and his MH was towed to the impound lot because he didn't have an air brake endorsement on his Illinois "Class D" drivers license."
1. More internet folklore.
2. I have an Illinois class "B" license and have never heard of an air brake endorsement for RV's.
1. I was a witness to this event while on duty at the entrance to the campground at Illinois Beach SP.
2. See: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_cdl10.pdf page 62.
:h
Why?
That's a study guide for a CDL- put out by the Illinois Secretary of State's office.
As noted before, private recreational vehicles are exempt from the requirement you evidently refer to. Maybe the rig you saw was a charter or something. That would make them subject to the requirement. - camperpaulExplorer
justlou wrote:
"Imagine the embarrassment of the owner of a Prevost when he was ticketed and his MH was towed to the impound lot because he didn't have an air brake endorsement on his Illinois "Class D" drivers license."
1. More internet folklore.
2. I have an Illinois class "B" license and have never heard of an air brake endorsement for RV's.
1. I was a witness to this event while on duty at the entrance to the campground at Illinois Beach SP.
2. See: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_cdl10.pdf page 62. - wa8yxmExplorer III
coolbreeze01 wrote:
It should be a constitutional right for all of us, that folks with a drivers license, actually know how to drive. But it isn't........
You make a good point.. However it should also be our right that drivers with no license do not drive (NOTE. I am not talking about licensed but wrong class here, I mean NO license at all)
You know. .The ones who say "I don't need no steeenking license to drive"
Trust me.. As a police dispatcher I got to see some of their driving records and "Stinking" is not nearly strong enough to describe it.
One dude, had like seven OUI covictions he had gone to prison for OUI and was out on parole, LIcense revoked till the 2nd coming, Special conditons of parole included no operation of a montor vehicle and NO BOOZE (Several different ways they say that all on the record)
So what is he doing now.. 20 to Life for running into someone head to head on the freeway and killing his passanger.
Ok that's one, Sadly it was a good police department civilian employee he killed and a cop (her Intended husband) he put in critical condition. His Defense "I was drunk i did not mean to kill nobody".
His first felony of the day... Putting keys in the lock on the pick up truck. He got Murder 2, should have been 1 in my book. (Death from commission of another crime).
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