Safety

As a firearms instructor, I get asked about this a lot.

First - develop your skills of Situational Awareness. Know where you are and who and what is going on around you. You can pick up on a lot of potential problems before they become an issue you need to deal with.

Second - carry yourself with confidence, and develop some skills in Command Presence. In all of the time I carried on the job, this was instrumental in never having to discharge my firearm. I can remember instances where junior folks were dealing with a subject, and the entire demeanor of that subject changed when I showed up - they realized that I wasn't playing. Even when working as an armed security guard - I had police ask me for assistance in dealing with subjects on more than on occasion because I "seemed more like a cop" to the subject. (It doesn't help that most of them want to wear a golf/polo shirt with a patch instead of uniform with a metal shield).

Third - Get some training. Learn how to handle a firearm, how to store it safely, and how they work.

Fourth - If offered, get a concealed firearm permit where you live. It may offer benefits such as RECIPROCITY and RECOGNITION.

There is a very useful app for smartphones called Legal Heat. It is your responsibility to know the laws where you are, wherever that is.

Here are some follow-up articles if you are interested...

http://rvgunner.com/slfdfnsideas.htm

http://rvgunner.com/whycarry.htm

http://rvgunner.com/gunsafety.htm

So if someone is planning on a multi-state, trip over several weeks, where permits and licenses may vary, keeping a firearm in your "parked home" is fine in every state.

NYCgrrl wrote:
I believe you are getting your information from an OPINION piece published by Fox.

The fact is the shooter choose this theater after casing it and 2 others, as well as an airport. He seemed to prefer this cineplex to others for a variety of reasons: type of seating, hours of operation and the dark interior.

In all his meticulous notes, a gun free zone advantage never was listed and he fully expected to be caught or killed. This info came out in the trial and is documented there in testimony and collected evidence (his diary).

You can believe what you wish my dear. Look at this page of Holmes notes.



The man is discussing with himself the best way to kill a large number of people. He looks at the different options and discounts most for reasons of his own. Then he decides upon the venue in the last paragraph. He specifically discounts the Airport because of the security. ie: he fully understands that where there are armed people there is the possibility that his "spree" would be cut short. His "Mass Murder/Spree" paragraph shows clearly that his intent is the maximum casualties. His other page that states that armed assistance in the form of police or National Guard is in the region of 3 minutes. Thus he has decided that he has three minutes to effect as much mayhem as possible in a place that lacks security.

I can see how you might conclude that the fact this was a gun free zone was not a care to him because it isn't in his notes. However, the fact that that fact did not appear in his notes does not prove it wasn't a factor. The fact that he took into account security at the airport does however prove that he was concerned about security.

If you really don't believe that gun free zones aren't an attractant then please explain why schools, colleges and malls feature in so many mass shootings while gun stores, police stations and Bass Pro shops are conspicuously absent from the list of places.

Seems like a relatively civil discussion that is relevant to a fair number of members on this site. Honestly, I'm impressed and a little proud of the support on this forum.

Buuuuuut we have to protect sensitive feelings and all. I'm sure you'll have your wish and it will be locked soon.

Just an observation...a post about climatre change lasted 6 pages, and there was the usual amount of pro-con comments. I don't think, but I could be wrong, there was any discussion about shooting or killing of people. This thread has gone on now for 13 pages and the it is filled with refrences to that very thing.

Geeez...just a little biased here, Moderator?


Gary Hupt

A gun/weapon is a tool, some people should not use tools - of any sort.

cmcdar wrote:
OK, I'll bite...

GOD didn't give you a gun. God gave you a Commandment - Thou Shalt NOT KILL....

Do some more research, God also gave instruction to kill on occasion, even to the point of wiping out entire communities and nationalities.

am1958 wrote:
Just as there are "No atheists in a foxhole" I'll wager there are an equal number of "anti-Second Amendment people in a gun free zone during an active shooter incident".

Gun free zones are also known as Criminal Empowerment Zones. There were something like five other theaters closer to the Aurora shooters apartment playing the same movie at the time of the shooting. But he chose the first one that had "No Firearms" signs on all the entrances. If that doesn't speak sufficient volumes to anyone them there are not sufficient volumes on the planet to have them see sense.

By declaring your house, business, campground, golf course or any other area a gun free zone pretty much assures you of two things:-

1. The only people entering those places will be people with a disregard for the law.

2. If one of those with disregard for the law starts robbing or shooting you will have no-one there with the tools required to help you.

I really can fully understand why some people shun firearms. What I can't understand is why people try to take away the ability of law abiding citizens from carrying them. At least if there is someone around with a gun when a nutcase is about to shoot you you'd have a chance. As it is you are wishing no chance upon yourself. That being the case evolution has take a strange turn with you - it has bred out the survival instinct and, as basic genetics teaches us, strains that are unsuited to their environment eventually die out.

I believe you are getting your information from an OPINION piece published by Fox.

The fact is the shooter choose this theater after casing it and 2 others, as well as an airport. He seemed to prefer this cineplex to others for a variety of reasons: type of seating, hours of operation and the dark interior.
In all his meticulous notes, a gun free zone advantage never was listed and he fully expected to be caught or killed. This info came out in the trial and is documented there in testimony and collected evidence (his diary).

Me? I prefer gun free zones in my life such as whilst praying, waiting for public transport, sleeping,etc. Gives me some relief from day to day cares w/o feeling there is a boogey man lurking behind every bush.

However, if you wish to open or conceal carry from morning to night, that would be your business as long as it's legal in the area you are in.

As an aside I think that if businesses chose to allow no guns on site it's not that hard to install a metal detector. To me it would be wise since some believe only some or no laws apply to them.

Just as there are "No atheists in a foxhole" I'll wager there are an equal number of "anti-Second Amendment people in a gun free zone during an active shooter incident".

Gun free zones are also known as Criminal Empowerment Zones. There were something like five other theaters closer to the Aurora shooters apartment playing the same movie at the time of the shooting. But he chose the first one that had "No Firearms" signs on all the entrances. If that doesn't speak sufficient volumes to anyone them there are not sufficient volumes on the planet to have them see sense.

By declaring your house, business, campground, golf course or any other area a gun free zone pretty much assures you of two things:-

1. The only people entering those places will be people with a disregard for the law.

2. If one of those with disregard for the law starts robbing or shooting you will have no-one there with the tools required to help you.

I really can fully understand why some people shun firearms. What I can't understand is why people try to take away the ability of law abiding citizens from carrying them. At least if there is someone around with a gun when a nutcase is about to shoot you you'd have a chance. As it is you are wishing no chance upon yourself. That being the case evolution has take a strange turn with you - it has bred out the survival instinct and, as basic genetics teaches us, strains that are unsuited to their environment eventually die out.

I too grew up with guns, and I joined NRA many years ago. I choose to see the gun thing as two(2) giant groups of people. One group is made up of gun persons.
Also, I don't wasted my time promoting guns. I say, take it or leave it.