Safety

MFL wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

MFL wrote:
In my state, the Legislature just passed a bill, that concealed carry permits are no longer needed. Our Governor vetoed the bill, as he did not want this changed. There are so many CCPs issued in my state, the Governor figured we could not handle the loss of revenue, of permit renewal. Concealed carry, without a permit, is just a misdemeanor in my state. The Legislature will consider an override on Monday. I quit playing the permit renewal game many years ago.

Jerry

I assume this correct? I do have a Concealed permit from WA State, if pulled over for a light out lets say in CA do they know you have a permit?

If so IMHO a great reason NOT to get a permit.

I do think the CC info is available to any LEO calling in your plate number, to check you out. Your permit request would have gone through an FBI computer to check you out, so info would be available nation wide. Not from personal experience, but I've heard of others being stopped, and asked if carrying, which I think reason being, they know you are licensed to CC.

Lots of talk about this in my area, due to possible, no CC permit bill becoming law. One thing mentioned, in local news, you can open carry right now, with no permit, such as laying on seat of truck, or in plain sight holster, hanging on your hip. My state, not sure every state.

Jerry

Definitely Open carry is not OK in every state. California and NY are an absolute NO GO for OC. Here in Nevada there is no law one way or the other so Open Carry is just fine. You often see it in smaller rural towns and even in the larger cities.

Texas just passed OC last year. The anti gunners were SCREAMING the whole state would become the wild wild west and it has just kept moving on!! Funny huh?? I open carried in a little town outside of Vegas. We were down there for a week long class and the instructors suggested we do it. No one even batted an eye at us. It was very refreshing

Chris

Chris

Cummins12V98 wrote:

MFL wrote:
In my state, the Legislature just passed a bill, that concealed carry permits are no longer needed. Our Governor vetoed the bill, as he did not want this changed. There are so many CCPs issued in my state, the Governor figured we could not handle the loss of revenue, of permit renewal. Concealed carry, without a permit, is just a misdemeanor in my state. The Legislature will consider an override on Monday. I quit playing the permit renewal game many years ago.

Jerry

I assume this correct? I do have a Concealed permit from WA State, if pulled over for a light out lets say in CA do they know you have a permit?

If so IMHO a great reason NOT to get a permit.

I do think the CC info is available to any LEO calling in your plate number, to check you out. Your permit request would have gone through an FBI computer to check you out, so info would be available nation wide. Not from personal experience, but I've heard of others being stopped, and asked if carrying, which I think reason being, they know you are licensed to CC.

Lots of talk about this in my area, due to possible, no CC permit bill becoming law. One thing mentioned, in local news, you can open carry right now, with no permit, such as laying on seat of truck, or in plain sight holster, hanging on your hip. My state, not sure every state.

Jerry

Jim2007 wrote:
Hi All.. Maybe it is just me but I am getting concerned about our personal safety at camp grounds. Should a camper carry a weapon(gun)in the camper? Currently I do not. Jim2007

I am a police officer, legally allowed to carry a gun almost anywhere in the United States. If I am fearful enough to have to carry a gun to go camping, I'll put the wheels to use and go camp somewhere else.

I usually bring my gun with me on long trips, for a variety of reasons. I don't want it stolen in a burglary at my house while I am gone, I want to be able to have it in case I stumble upon something in my travels, but most importantly because it makes my wife feel better.

I had a friend in downtown KC when there was an influx of rowdy and not-so-rowdy inner city youths, but a lot of them. When speaking to him a week or so later, he commented that he wished he had his gun with him because he felt very intimidated and while not physically threatened he was definitely uneasy. He has a CCP. Nothing happened and he walked to his car with no issues beyond his uneasiness, and I wondered why he wanted his pistol when he had no need of it.

However I wonder what might have transpired if he has been carrying his pistol. Would he have felt intimidated enough to perhaps open his coat and reveal he was armed? Would that have escalated things to violence?

I am sitting here in a campground right now reading this.

How many campers would it take to stop a stray bullet?

What could possibly be going on in said campground that would require deadly force?

I can see having one if you are camping in the wilderness. But a family campground, that is just disaster in the making.

The canpgound I am in has a sign stating no guns. I am not foolish enough to believe anyone pays attention to it.

Sad state indeed.

Gdetrailer wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I have never in my life used a fire extinguisher. Never even close to needing one......ever. I still have one in my house, workshop and trailer. And I hope I never have to use one. :)

I have never used a spare tire on my trucks. I still carry one. I hope I never need it. :)

Interesting thought, I never thought about using a gun to extinguish a fire..

These are surely comparable examples. I heard just last week that a toddler picked up a spare tire and accidentally killed his father. Of course, his father should not left the thing just laying around.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Let me put my position a different way. If you do not feel the need to have a firearm for protection at home you probably don't need one for the Rv. RVing is not an activity that raises the threat level. It is an activity that brings about encounters you are unlikely to experience at home, which greatly increases the odds you will accidentally injure someone.
While RVing you are likely to have more personal interactions. Strangers are likely to be much closer to your personal space than you are accustomed to. You will be in unfamiliar surroundings and sounds common to where you are camping may be very alarming to you. Remember the scene in the movie "My Cousin Vinny" where city slicker Joe Pesci starts blasting away into the night because an Owl was hooting? I am much more afraid of an armed person in a strange environment than I am of being attacked while RVing.

HMMM, you have never had a crazy in your park you had to deal with? "Threat level", there is ALWAYS that possibility!

I choose to be ready as needed.

Mod's, nice you are allowing this civil discussion!

Obviously, I have never had to shoot someone in any of my parks. If I did, my screen name would likely be changed to "Former westernrvparkowner, now sued into bankruptcy". I think people watch a few too many TV shows and movies. You are about as likely to see a Unicorn as you are to be involved in a shooting that isn't domestic or drug related. Fact is a friend or relative is much more likely to shoot you than a stranger. Violent criminals are not lurking around every corner waiting to assault you.
I have never had a violent event at any of my parks. That spans several hundred thousand camper nights. Probably had to call the police less than a dozen times and most of those calls were related to vehicle accidents. Granted I run a tight ship and as the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But there are very few activities with less stranger danger than RVing.

I grew up around weapons....fired my first pistol at 6 yrs old .22 Ruger Bear Cat Revolver (Dad helped!) Still have that revolver.

Taken several Firearms Training Courses over the years.
Shot competitively and have been issued a CCW

One of the First things taught:
EVERY weapon is loaded until YOU verify otherwise so handle accordingly

Then was taught:
A firearm may be used only when there is a clear and present danger to life.
A firearm may be used only when other defensive methods are inappropriate or have failed.

And that a firearm MUST never be used to:
To apprehend a fleeing suspect.
To demonstrate authority.
To psychologically "impress" others.
As an aggressive or offensive weapon.

Also taught:
Do not pull/banish a weapon unless you are going to USE IT
If you USE it------center mass and stop firing ONLY when threat is eliminated (NO warning shot)


So IF you choose to carry a weapon:
Take a Training Course
Go to shooting range and acquire needed skills and then maintain them
THINK before REACTING



And NEVER pull a weapon unless you follow thru and USE it.
It is a deadly 'tool' and should be respected as such.


IF you get a CCW remember that it is usually available to LEOs that you have one so if stopped:
Let them KNOW and that you have weapon
THEN follow their directions to a 'T'
(Actually CCW requirement is to inform---could be consequences if you don't)

If you carry w/o CCW......taking chances so be prepared for consequences.

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Let me put my position a different way. If you do not feel the need to have a firearm for protection at home you probably don't need one for the Rv. RVing is not an activity that raises the threat level. It is an activity that brings about encounters you are unlikely to experience at home, which greatly increases the odds you will accidentally injure someone.
While RVing you are likely to have more personal interactions. Strangers are likely to be much closer to your personal space than you are accustomed to. You will be in unfamiliar surroundings and sounds common to where you are camping may be very alarming to you. Remember the scene in the movie "My Cousin Vinny" where city slicker Joe Pesci starts blasting away into the night because an Owl was hooting? I am much more afraid of an armed person in a strange environment than I am of being attacked while RVing.

HMMM, you have never had a crazy in your park you had to deal with? "Threat level", there is ALWAYS that possibility!

I choose to be ready as needed.

Mod's, nice you are allowing this civil discussion!

westernrvparkowner wrote:

csamayfield55 wrote:
Let's see, Did the people in San Bernardino feel safe before that travesty? Did the people in Orlando feel safe? How about the people in London just this week? I choose to always have the tools I need with me and the training to use those tools.

We live in a different world than we did even 20 years ago. Society as a whole has lost their moral compass and it is becoming and individuals responsibility to keep themselves and their family safe.

Chris

Do you really think you would have had a chance to use a firearm in any of those three encounters? In San Bernardino, the gunmen had semiautomatic assault rifles. The shooting was over in a less than 3 minutes. During that time more than 100 rounds were fired by the attackers. In the ensuing chaos, people fled in multiple directions, a sprinkler system water pipe ruptured spraying water into room further hindering visibility. The odds of even getting a potential shot was minimal and the odds of injuring bystanders rather than the attackers was extremely high.
Perhaps a weapon would have been useful in Orlando, however I don't believe anyone would say that a nightclub full of semi-intoxicated youths armed with handguns would be safer than just saying "no weapons in this club".
In London, the dead bystanders were all killed by a vehicle. I know I don't want anyone shooting at random cars thinking one may suddenly veer into them.
I have followed these forums for years. Still haven't seen a single verifiable post about how an RVer has shot an intruder while camping.

Yea let's all give up!