tires and speed

This thread has gone way off topic. If you wish to debate the NHTSA publications please start a new thread. Time to close this one.
Barney

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

“Only 12 percent
of speeding-related
fatalities occur on
Interstate highways"

This pretty much says it all. And from the link you supplied. Thanks for making my point. :B

'Nother head scratcher...What, exactly, is your point?

Is it that speeding on interstate highways is a good idea because 88% of speed-related deaths occur elsewhere??? Emphasis there on deaths, because those numbers don't even begin to address the suffering of those folks lucky enough to have actually survived speeding-related "accidents".

And I guess it follows that no consideration at all should be given to the enormous losses in property damage also caused by speed limit scofflaws.

Here again quoting from same NHTSA study :

NHTSA wrote:
The economic cost to society of speeding-related crashes is estimated by NHTSA to be $40.4 billion per year

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Plainly said, speed kills.

So do you drive 50 instead of 65 to be safer yet?

Or maybe a 25 MPH towing law to keep everybody on the road super safe?

I believe in balance, not to lean one way or another in this situation; there may be a case where 50 is not safe on a two-way (four lane) road and the speed limit is 70. I don't like the idea of being painted as an extremist, again there should be a balance between traffic and safety, and its not necessarily you or me, its the other people who take this privelige thinking its a right that are bad drivers, and thier action that cause us to react, the difference between 75 and 65 may be a difference between an accident and avoiding and accident.

Desert Captain wrote:
"Folks who are not proficient behind the wheel use speed as a blanket cause"

Not the most ridiculous post in a long time... but close. :R

People can rationalize excessive speed anyway they want but the number one cause of accidents and the accompanying injuries and deaths is excessive speed... for road conditions, equipment, and weather etc.

This is a fact that can NOT be disputed. :S Speed limits are the maximum allowable rate of travel and they are set for ideal conditions, factor in poor weather, visibility, heavy traffic etc., and they drop dramatically for everyone, not just those of us who are intelligent enough to obey them. :E

Capt you're not only moving the goal post you're trying to switch games. :B Please quote me where I said it's ok to speed. The reason you can't is because I never said that or advocate it. What I do advocate is to never travel over a speed you are confident of going whether that be 40 or 80 or anything in-between.

Look at what you said in bold. If you read the links I provided, you would find out you are dead wrong about your assumption that "the number one cause of accidents is speed." It's not. In fact you're not even close according to the links I gave you. The NTSB job is to investigate accidents and make recommendations to keep us safe. They know what the greatest risks are and speed is not one of them like you so wrongly assumed. In fact it's not even on the list it's so low of a concern. Much like you were wrong about a law going over the speed rating of an ST tire.

I think it would be a good idea to apologize to hybridhunter for your comment that was wrong, but that's just my opinion.

Have safe travels and a good time.

Gee, I guess my "agenda" of wanting people to safe on the highway makes me some kind of freak.... fortunately I can live with that.

"In fact the NTSB's "most wanted safety improvements" have to do with things like getting wireless devices out of auto's, stricter seatbelt use, and getting drunk drivers off of the road. In essence, driver distraction and poor drivers cause accidents, not speed."

I agree that the above concerns are crucial to highway safety, I think using any electronic device while driving should be illegal across the nation not just in select jurisdictions. Getting drunks off the road (I did that recently), starts with actually sentencing the repeat offenders to prison instead of the standard slap on the wrist that most receive. Folks that don't wear seat belts are idiots. People that drive the speed limit are not.

If you are speeding you are a poor driver, sorry if that fact offends but it doesn't stop being true. See what a couple of speeding tickets do for your insurance costs and who knows more about the cost of bad driving than the insurance companies? :R.

You do not get to pick and choose which laws to obey, it just does not work that way. Do you pass on hills, blind curves and across double yellow lines? Probably (hopefully), not because it is dangerous and illegal, speeding is exactly the same. If you cannot obey the law your driving privileges can and should be revoked, it is just that simple.

Oh well enough nonsense for now, think I will hit the road and drive up to the Superstition Mountains, at or under the posted speed limit enjoying the scenery and some pretty decent mileage.... works for me. :C

Didn't your mama ever tell you 'Speed Kills'

THAT's good enough for me

Francesca Knowles wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Funny, the NTSB pretty much agrees with HBH and not with you...snip...Speed was not even on the radar.
Link to NTSB study.

:h

That's all very interesting, but the National Highway TrafficSafety Commission disagrees with (your interpretation of) the National Transportation Safety Board's report...probably because the the two agencies have very different responsibilities.

According to this NHTSA report, more or less concurrent with the NTSB report you mentioned earlier:

NHTSA wrote:
Speeding was a factor in 30 percent of the fatal crashes that occurred on dry roads in 2007 and in 34 percent of those that occurred on wet roads.

Speeding was a factor in 55 percent of the fatal crashes that occurred when there was snow or slush on the road and in 57 percent of those that occurred on icy roads.

Speeding was involved in nearly one-third (32%) of the fatal crashes that occurred in construction/maintenance zones in 2007.

In 2007, 88 percent of speeding-related fatalities occurred on roads that were not Interstate highways.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Don't you just hate it when facts interfere with your personal agenda? :B

And the other reports I have posted? Nothing about the DOT report that says the same thing as the NTSB? I have more. You want me to post them?

“Only 12 percent
of speeding-related
fatalities occur on
Interstate highways"

This pretty much says it all. And from the link you supplied. Thanks for making my point. :B

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Funny, the NTSB pretty much agrees with HBH and not with you...snip...Speed was not even on the radar.
Link to NTSB study.

:h

That's all very interesting, but the National Highway TrafficSafety Commission disagrees with (your interpretation of) the National Transportation Safety Board's report...probably because the the two agencies have very different responsibilities.

According to this NHTSA report, more or less concurrent with the NTSB report you mentioned earlier:

NHTSA wrote:
Speeding was a factor in 30 percent of the fatal crashes that occurred on dry roads in 2007 and in 34 percent of those that occurred on wet roads.

Speeding was a factor in 55 percent of the fatal crashes that occurred when there was snow or slush on the road and in 57 percent of those that occurred on icy roads.

Speeding was involved in nearly one-third (32%) of the fatal crashes that occurred in construction/maintenance zones in 2007.

In 2007, 88 percent of speeding-related fatalities occurred on roads that were not Interstate highways.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Don't you just hate it when facts interfere with your personal agenda? :B

Oh snap, here is a DOT study:

DOT confirms speed not major cause of accidents.

Double snap, another study:

Hauling $#% on the autobahn.

Call it fewer drivers to compare, call it what you will, but many claim that driving 200 miles per hour on the autobahn is actually safer than getting behind the wheel in the states!

Now how can this be with such high speeds? Well for one, you have to prove you are a great driver in other countries before you get your license. In the US..........well..........:R

Desert Captain wrote:
"Folks who are not proficient behind the wheel use speed as a blanket cause"

Not the most ridiculous post in a long time... but close. :R

People can rationalize excessive speed anyway they want but the number one cause of accidents and the accompanying injuries and deaths is excessive speed... for road conditions, equipment, and weather etc.

This is a fact that can NOT be disputed. :S Speed limits are the maximum allowable rate of travel and they are set for ideal conditions, factor in poor weather, visibility, heavy traffic etc., and they drop dramatically for everyone, not just those of us who are intelligent enough to obey them. :E

Funny, the NTSB pretty much agrees with HBH and not with you.

In fact the NTSB's "most wanted safety improvements" have to do with things like getting wireless devices out of auto's, stricter seatbelt use, and getting drunk drivers off of the road. In essence, driver distraction and poor drivers cause accidents, not speed.

Speed was not even on the radar.
Link to NTSB study.

Don't you just hate it when facts interfere with your personal agenda? :B