What does 10 TRILLION gallons of water even equate to?
That's one weather prediction for southern California in the next week.
Gary Haupt
Gary Haupt
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westend wrote:
MR wizard wrote:
good or bad, it is the truth, man has very little or No effect on the weather, only on his surroundings, which are affected by the weather
Man may not have any effect on the weather but scientific studies show that we have an effect on climate. The rise in CO2, envelopment of greenhouse gases, and rise in sea temperatures can't be off-laid to natural Earth cyclical change.
Maybe, maybe not.MR wizard wrote:
good or bad, it is the truth, man has very little or No effect on the weather, only on his surroundings, which are affected by the weather
Man may not have any effect on the weather but scientific studies show that we have an effect on climate. The rise in CO2, envelopment of greenhouse gases, and rise in sea temperatures can't be off-laid to natural Earth cyclical change.garyhaupt wrote:
And all I wanted to do was understand what 10 trillion gallons of water would 'look like'. That got answered in the first responses. Then some of you went off the rails with insults and mean posts. Too bad.
Gary Haupt
Maybe I missed it... but where were the insults and mean posts? In so far as the post going "off the rails"... this is a forum, you can't dictate how your question gets answered. You pose a question, the rest of us formulate answers how we see fit.garyhaupt wrote:
And all I wanted to do was understand what 10 trillion gallons of water would 'look like'. That got answered in the first responses. Then some of you went off the rails with insults and mean posts. Too bad.
Gary Haupt
The OP got his answer in a polite reply, after that the topic opened up a bit, so what.
Asked and answered. More than most posts that go off the rail at the get go.and in fact is used by both sides of the climate control debate.
Hu? :h
How can anybody argue that "man" was the cause of climate problems when he wasn't even around then? There always was wide swings and more than likely always will be.Turtle n Peeps wrote:
NYCgrrl wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
What I find odd is that here in the NW we broke a record high temp of 65deg. Yesterday it was 68. Today it was 67. Guess when the original 65 temp was set?!!! Over 100 years ago. That's right, before cars, factories and petroleum. So how did that temp make it so high back then?........that's right normal climate cycles. It comes and goes, it's nature and earth taking care of itself.
Sure some don't want to hear that because it's easier to blame someone than accept what is normal!
100 years ago wasn't before cars, petroleum and factories.
In fact the Industrial Revolution began in the mid-18th century and, at the start, the fossil fuel of choice, was coal.
Not sure when weather records started being kept in this country but I'd hazard a guess it was more like within Benjamin Franklin's lifetime possibly even before his birth. That being said were I a scientist I'd have more historical data to analyze whether the 65 degree temp was an anomaly or the norm. As well certain natural phenomena would have to be factored in such as volcanoes, meteors and typhoons.
In recent times, we've seen the effects on our weather with the Icelandic and Italian volcanoes as well as tsunamis.
You need to start thinking in millions of years; not 100's.
Here is a chart in millions of years. Look at the wild swings.
I've heard of Mr. Lappi's research before (no idea what his level of education was so excuse if I'm using the wrong title) yet despite the clarity of his graphics it can be interpreted in more than one way and in fact is used by both sides of the climate control debate.
I would certainly not deny that changes in the climate will happen solely due to the "gonna happen again" Ice Age yet feel that mankind has had a hand in it's acceleration IMO. Cause and effect finds it's way into many branches of science.
As well I agree that a longer meteorological record is needed past 100 or even 200 years. Interpretative records need a longer time frame in order to get the stats correct.garyhaupt wrote:
And all I wanted to do was understand what 10 trillion gallons of water would 'look like'. That got answered in the first responses. Then some of you went off the rails with insults and mean posts. Too bad.
Gary Haupt
10 trillion us gallons is approx 4 inches of rain on all 104 million acres of the state of California
Or just under 2 inches of rain on all 233 million acres of British Columbia.
Or an epic catastrophe on the media. :)NYCgrrl wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
What I find odd is that here in the NW we broke a record high temp of 65deg. Yesterday it was 68. Today it was 67. Guess when the original 65 temp was set?!!! Over 100 years ago. That's right, before cars, factories and petroleum. So how did that temp make it so high back then?........that's right normal climate cycles. It comes and goes, it's nature and earth taking care of itself.
Sure some don't want to hear that because it's easier to blame someone than accept what is normal!
100 years ago wasn't before cars, petroleum and factories.
In fact the Industrial Revolution began in the mid-18th century and, at the start, the fossil fuel of choice, was coal.
Not sure when weather records started being kept in this country but I'd hazard a guess it was more like within Benjamin Franklin's lifetime possibly even before his birth. That being said were I a scientist I'd have more historical data to analyze whether the 65 degree temp was an anomaly or the norm. As well certain natural phenomena would have to be factored in such as volcanoes, meteors and typhoons.
In recent times, we've seen the effects on our weather with the Icelandic and Italian volcanoes as well as tsunamis.
You need to start thinking in millions of years; not 100's.
Here is a chart in millions of years. Look at the wild swings.- And all I wanted to do was understand what 10 trillion gallons of water would 'look like'. That got answered in the first responses. Then some of you went off the rails with insults and mean posts. Too bad.
Gary Haupt NYCgrrl wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
What I find odd is that here in the NW we broke a record high temp of 65deg. Yesterday it was 68. Today it was 67. Guess when the original 65 temp was set?!!! Over 100 years ago. That's right, before cars, factories and petroleum. So how did that temp make it so high back then?........that's right normal climate cycles. It comes and goes, it's nature and earth taking care of itself.
Sure some don't want to hear that because it's easier to blame someone than accept what is normal!
100 years ago wasn't before cars, petroleum and factories.
In fact the Industrial Revolution began in the mid-18th century and, at the start, the fossil fuel of choice, was coal.
Not sure when weather records started being kept in this country but I'd hazard a guess it was more like within Benjamin Franklin's lifetime possibly even before his birth. That being said were I a scientist I'd have more historical data to analyze whether the 65 degree temp was an anomaly or the norm. As well certain natural phenomena would have to be factored in such as volcanoes, meteors and typhoons.
In recent times, we've seen the effects on our weather with the Icelandic and Italian volcanoes as well as tsunamis.
when the industrial revolution started is not the point
i doubt that they were burning much coal in Wa 100 years ago
Britain yes, and the major effect was on peoples health breathing in all that London coal smoke, not the weather
Volcanoes affect the global weather by spewing ash into high atmosphere and blocking sunlight and heat
that record 65f in Wa was Nature pure and simple
the biggest problem is not Man affecting the weather,
but man affecting his personal surroundings
the water shed is gone, covered by buildings, and man doesn't want to get out of the way .
he wants to divert, block, dam up and change the course
just because some cycles take a 100 years, does not make it abnormal
what is abnormal to nature and this earth is MAN changing the surroundings
good or bad, it is the truth, man has very little or No effect on the weather, only on his surroundings, which are affected by the weather
