Bent crude tops 60 a barrel

Yes but is controlled parenthood a viable alternative? Far far far too much resistance. Planting proven O2 converters in sustainable areas would be less controversial. Extract nitrogen for fertilizer.

Making +2 offspring so incredibly expensive that it would thwart plans (but run this thought publicly). Have ballistic ceramic and Kevlar handy.

What IS going to happen is a nightmare virus. A mutation. Totally unknown and unpredictable. Airborne pathogen. It will make past pandemics look like flu season. The laws of nature DEMANDS that such a virus evolve. It is a complex computation of the number of human laboratories, transmission viability and ease of travel. The PNEUmonic plague wiped out a third of Europe. Guess what? There are no inoculations, and no medication interventions and it's been 700+ years. The more and more common Marburg, Ebola, and Pneumonic plague outbreaks are bad Juju. Think of them as precursor earthquakes. Mother Nature is going to have its own "Wall Street Correction".

Totally unrelated solicitation...

One of my unattainable dreams is to relax with a thick coffee table Atlas and Gazetteer. My quirk. When I had one I spent an incredible average of ten plus hours a week, examining it page by page, both the maps and the gazetteer. For YEARS. This would be like an addict inheriting a thousand acre opium poppy farm.

If anyone has an unneeded book please PM me or

mexbungalows AT gmail DOT com

I would be forever in your debt. Hard to forget someone when holding something for hours every night. This is part of my insatiable learning appetite syndrome :(

Maybe if Earth's population was capped at, say, 1 billion souls those 1 billion souls wouldn't be unsustainably using up and ruining Earth, if at all ... regardless of how those 1 billion souls were living or driving.

Why is it that everyone, everywhere, assumes that it's OK to procreate as we please? BTW, we tried to do our part ... two kids .... with one kid stopping permanently at two kids and the other kid not having any kids.

Talk about the 800 more or less metric ton gorilla in the room .... geeeesh. :S

Oops, I neglected to address the last sentence as to the ‘wind down of petro-energy dependence’...

The potential repercussions of this possibility (assuming your forecast is likely...) cannot be taken lightly since it would adversely impact the entire world’s petroleum based economic structures and likely reconfigure the world’s existing political power centers - IMO, war (to reconcile economic ledgers) would be the only way out... America reluctantly (Nixon) ditched the gold standard in favor of the ‘Petro Dollar’ and (empowering the printing press and irresponsible spending) and U.S. debt has been out of control ever since....The value of the petroleum based U.S. dollar would likely plunge and cost would soar....(think, Weimar republic)

For a cursory understanding of this matter, and what politicians hold as secret (along with their free spending) simply google ‘Petro-Dollar’ for starters....

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SULFUR plays an enormous role in the creation of SMOG. Reducing GASOLINE sulfur content to 0 ppm would help vehicles and the air alike.

I'll say this for the seeming ten thousandth time. The era of vast rainforests, jungles, and greenery on this planet was caused by a sustained spike in CO2 levels. Lasting eons. If the south Pacific ocean was spiked with million tons of micro particulate ferrous product it would cause an algae bloom that will change an area the size of the old USSR from almost sterile to one rich in creatures meaning fish. The surface algae would convert trillions of tons of CO2 to O2. Yet attempts to conduct extremely limited testing of the process have been thwarted legally by environmental groups.

Oh have I searched high and low. Everywhere for data regarding the total conversion of O2 to CO2 by six billion human beings over a period of say 10-years BY MERELY BREATHING. The revelation of which may totally bias any attempt to reduce CO2 emissions. Not by elimination but by directly attacking CO2 itself. The ambiguity shown by humanity toward censorship of countries chopping down hundreds of millions of acres of rainforests for a pittance of profit is disgusting. Brazil is especially guilty in this regard.

This goes even deeper. The unwillingness of the Unites States and affected states to plant hundreds of millions of willow trees on inherently weak banks of giant river's levees would solve many problems. Willows have incredibly dense root structure. Tiered planting would render a levee vastly stronger and decrease breaches in levees during critically high water levels.

THIMK! Look at Los Angeles traffic or any other urban jam. Think the solution is unobtainable? FORCE INDUSTRY TO DIVERSIFY LOCATIONS USING TAX CREDITS. Millions of motor vehicles not going anywhere create nightmare levels of CO, CO2, HC, and NOX concentrations.
Bay Area Rapid Transit is screaming to add FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT more passenger load. The tracks and infrastructure could easily absorb it with 0% degradation in safety. THE GLITCH is no parking and a nightmare of hub transportation to and from the stations. BUILD 5-DECK PARKING AND CHARGE FOR IT! Not even under consideration.

Neither is a viable bypass freeway well around the Los Angeles urban area. Or anywhere else. Phoenix? Chicago? Scranton? Of course not. Bypasses insure isolation from local traffic. This is a viable way to reduce emissions.

If you see a problem, fix it using other than a derivative thinking process. "We have traffic problems. Let's fix it in the most obtuse, obstructive and abstract way possible"

Fuel prices are depressed because of a surplus in supply.....period. The effects of solar panels is a grain of sand in the Sahara. THIMK! What energy source does your utility use? Gasoline? Diesel? No. six fuel oil? Nuclear? Coal? Hydro?

It's a world of Sheep People governed in developed countries by failed lawyers and in 3rd world countries by strong arm , crooks, or both. What do you expect? Intelligence? Studies? Proposals?

My expenditure for broadleaf green plants exists for a reason, as does my 75 kWh electrical bill. My refusal to spend more money and waste more resources by buying the cheapest product exists for a reason. So does repair! Not replace!

Me an environmentalist? Shirley You Joke! Environmentalists hate me. When I encounter one shooting his mouth off about pet subjects that earn a double digit IQ grade, I inquire...

"Bring me your monthly utility, and fuel bills. Bring me your last 12 months of electrical appliance purchase receipts"

If you read my responses on this forum you know I despise hypocrisy, charlatan products, and "government waste mismanagement that benefits me, as your manager".

It is not a "better" lifestyle. It is not "the desirable" lifesyle in tune with societal harmony of acceptance. It is (except on one forum) a quiet, dignified, and rational true form of environmental responsibility. No protests, no telling others how to live or vote. It is simply devoid of hypocrisy. Lock me up then shoot me.

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Ad hominem may feel satisfying but it doesn't bolster a sense of solidity in the POV expressed.

I don't see the issue as one of a petro fuel shortage, more one of what's the carrying capacity of the environment to deal with all the carbon being released. The costs of environmental impacts needs to be included as well. And those are real. Places I used to be able to view distant mountains now obscured with smog as an example.

And back to the economic case, alternative energy sources are why petrol prices are depressed. An era of petro energy dominance is beginning to wind down.

The several ‘assumed to be true’ constructs in this post would especially sadden Aristotle...

Is the carbon level really too high?....By who's measure? A Scientific consensus??....Really?...Implicit in this construct is the abjest repudiation of science itself !!

Did the gov’t not finance the vast majority of these ‘studies’ (via large infusions of institutional grant monies...) with the singular advance purpose in mind of bolstering their already pre-conceived ‘green house gas’ model outcome, which points to a biased ’cash for evidence’ arraignment... Outcome based science is NOT Science!...This upside-down approach (now being referred to as ‘science’ ) is NOT really Science but is called ‘Scientism’ and ushers in what should be a very worrisome trend - an institutionally sanctioned repudiation and corruption (i.e. desired results for cash...) of the very ‘re-discovered’ Scientific Method that enabled Europe to fast-track itself out of the Dark Ages....It is this sudden return to the rediscovered ‘Scientific Method’ that is responsible for the rapid advances ever since, including even the iPad I’m writing this on now!!

Truth is, ‘Consensus based science’ is NOT really science at all, and any popular approved notions (regarding said ‘climate change’) that “It’s a Closed subject - The Science has been settled!!” by definition is not real science, since mankind (think about man’s limited faculties) forever lacks the ability to ‘fully or completely’ understand the Sciences...Real science must always be OPEN for enquiry and debate!

A very much maligned Carbon Dioxide constitutes only about .03-.04% of the earth’s atmosphere and is a fertilizer for plants and earths oxygen producing rain forest, without which animal life simply could not exist....It is in this way that the earth itself is in equilibrium - more CO2 means more oxygen, and BTW more food production for ever hungrier populations....

In the larger context, consider too that Redwood tree stumps have been discovered buried at the Arctic circle...

Actually, what’s brought down the cost of hydrocarbon products is the advent of fracking and the ensuing competition which has since resulted - made possible by improvements in industrial technology...

Respectfully,
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Ad hominem may feel satisfying but it doesn't bolster a sense of solidity in the POV expressed.

I don't see the issue as one of a petro fuel shortage, more one of what's the carrying capacity of the environment to deal with all the carbon being released. The costs of environmental impacts needs to be included as well. And those are real. Places I used to be able to view distant mountains now obscured with smog as an example.

And back to the economic case, alternative energy sources are why petrol prices are depressed. An era of petro energy dominance is beginning to wind down.

ECONOMICALLY RECOVERABLE OIL SHALE

After a brief skim thru that battery charger document (99% legal pigly-wigly non-sense) and considering the yards of already duplicative regulations that are routinely incubated in Sacramento via their adolescent legislative infirmary (which (unfortunately indirectly imposes same said non-sense on ‘normal America’ ), I’m sincerely looking forward to the final implementation date of California’s proposed secession - hopefully, for sanity’s sake, very soon!!.... Sadly, too many Californians have replaced their critical thinking skills with Sophistry, which has in recent years eclipsed Rationality, but to the empowerment of their Political Wizard Class - Where art thou Socrates??... Please save us from ourselves”!!

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I telephoned from Las Penas to inquire about One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest Battery Charger Restrictions... 2011

http://www.energy.ca.gov/business_meetings/2012_packets/2012-01-12/Item_12_battery_charger_Proposed_Regulations/2011-10-07_NOPA_Battery_Chargers.pdf

"Sir if you will refer to section IV article e) you will see...."

"Excuse me"

"Yes?"

"Wouldn't it have been easier to prohibit battery charger sales of chargers without timers, and forbid timers with "hold" function?"

"Sir, I'm really rather busy, and while I enjoyed talking to you (2-1/2 minutes) I really..."

This is what a person gets when failed lawyers impose their will...

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Then Moonbeam comes along and mandates ALL cars and private vehicles in California MUST be electric. I'm not grousing about electric vehicle, I'm grousing about the mentality that strongly suggests they forgot to EXhale.

DIG THE PHOTO CREDIT OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PEOPLE's REPUBLIC



"You WILL drive an electric vehicle or WALK!"

Brown - Caretaker of California’s Purple Unicorn follys..

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