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Padlin's avatar
Padlin
Explorer
Dec 03, 2014

Choosing and installing an inverter

Background:
New 21' Fiberglass FW, all power related equip under the rear dinette seat.

2-6V Interstate GC batteries 232A
160w 12v flat mount solar, will add another 100-160w this spring/summer
Wfco 8955 converter/charger
Bogarts Trimetric 2030 battery monitor and SC-2030 Solar Charger Controller
No on board genny, have a Honda 2k
I do my own mods.


Looking to add a decent inverter to power an electric blanket or heat pad, and charge the laptop and camera. I currently use a cheap, noisy, 400w portable for the laptop and camera.

From reading this forum, I see my WFCO 8955 is not the greatest thing for my 2 6V interstate batteries, started looking into replacing it.

The existing circuit to the bedroom receptacles for the heating pad is the same one used for the microwave. That being the case I'll add the MW to what should be powered from the inverter. I checked it with a Killawatt and I get 1100w draw (700w unit) so I'll go for a 1500-2k inverter.


I like the Iota DLS-55 for a charger and the Xantrex Prowatt SW 2k inverter.
Xantrex
DLS-55
Looked at the combo units but for PSW they are out of my budget at $1k plus, hence my first question.

1. How can I tell if I need a PSW or MSW? If I went MSW I could get an all in one unit.

Hooking up an inverter:

The Xantrex has an optional remote, which I would get, and an Inline Transfer Relay.



I was thinking of using the output of the breaker to feed Input #2 and hooking the existing Romex to the output of the relay but this leaves no breaker for the output when running off the inverter.

2: Am I looking at this right or is there a better way? I'm open to all affordable suggestions.

There's more but I'll stop here for now.

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  • Bend's avatar
    Bend
    Explorer
    Dec 04, 2014
    Padlin wrote:

    ...
    Anyone care to point me towards this or briefly explain it and the final conclusions?


    I went alooking and could not find it. Seems its buried in the archives (over 1 year old) somewhere.

    Mostly explained above.

    Go with 15.3v max as Snowman9000 pointed out or 14.8v as most recommend.
  • Padlin's avatar
    Padlin
    Explorer
    Dec 04, 2014
    Bend wrote:

    Interstate's suggested requirements:

    http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

    IIRC, we have addressed this before and decided that the Interstate engineers were out-to-lunch when it was written.


    Anyone care to point me towards this or briefly explain it and the final conclusions?
  • Snowman9000's avatar
    Snowman9000
    Explorer
    Dec 04, 2014
    Bend wrote:
    BFL13 wrote:

    ...
    The charging specs for the GC2 XHDs (and other brand 6s too) are the same as here by US Battery. In the 14s. 15.6 is only for Equalizing once in a while, not regular charging as the Vabs.

    http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf
    ...


    Interstate's suggested requirements:

    http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

    IIRC, we have addressed this before and decided that the Interstate engineers were out-to-lunch when it was written.


    OP, that chart from Interstate shows 15.3 for the golf cart 6v batteries. Third chart down.
  • BFL13's avatar
    BFL13
    Explorer II
    Dec 04, 2014
    Yes, the OP must be wondering why what he reads as the proper charging specs for his batteries isn't right.

    I suspect that Interstate is using "Bulk Voltage" when we (and US Battery) mean "Absorption Voltage" and Interstate is using their Vabs to mean the same thing as the US Battery's "Finish" letting the voltage rise into the 15s to maintain the current.

    There is no such thing as "Bulk Voltage." Bulk is when voltage rises until it reaches Vabs with the charger's voltage staying just above battery voltage on the way up.

    Trojan wants 14.8v for Vabs.
  • Bend's avatar
    Bend
    Explorer
    Dec 04, 2014
    BFL13 wrote:

    ...
    The charging specs for the GC2 XHDs (and other brand 6s too) are the same as here by US Battery. In the 14s. 15.6 is only for Equalizing once in a while, not regular charging as the Vabs.

    http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf
    ...


    Interstate's suggested requirements:

    http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

    IIRC, we have addressed this before and decided that the Interstate engineers were out-to-lunch when it was written.
  • pnichols's avatar
    pnichols
    Explorer II
    Dec 03, 2014
    Padlin wrote:
    Looking to add a decent inverter to power an electric blanket or heat pad, and charge the laptop and camera. I currently use a cheap, noisy, 400w portable for the laptop and camera.


    For what it's worth .... all that can be replaced with 12 volt versions for powering and charging, so no inverter is necessary for those tasks. Since inverters waste energy performing their conversion process, more power is needed from your battery bank using an inverter than what is really necessary do do the things you want to do. For best drycamping power management, one should stay as much as possible in the inverter-less world.

    In our RV we:

    - Use the main batttery bank and 12 volt devices as much as possible.

    - Use a small, fuel sipping, very quiet 650 watt four-stroke generator for every 2nd or 3rd day main battery bank charging.

    - Use a quiet built-in generator for the microwave and air conditioning.

    - Carry a small 300 watt pure sine wave inverter the we rarely use anymore for anything ... used to use it for the laptop and other small battery charging tasks until I converted the laptop to direct 12 volts and now use USB outlets for other small battery charging.
  • BFL13's avatar
    BFL13
    Explorer II
    Dec 03, 2014
    BurbMan wrote:
    Padlin, look at the ..........

    BFL13 wrote:
    That still leaves plugging the MW into a different receptacle or extension cord if you want a project to add to your list.


    No need...since OP is using a transfer switch to bring inverter power to that circuit, the micro will work as normal when the rig is plugged into shore power.


    That still leaves the MW on that circuit though.

    We need to spend more of the OP's money so he has a big inverter for the MW, toaster, kettle, etc and a small PSW inverter for the blanket, laptop, etc. :)
  • BurbMan's avatar
    BurbMan
    Explorer II
    Dec 03, 2014
    Padlin, look at the Progressive Dynamics 4655, it is a direct replacement for the WFCO, so it will just slide in to the existing power center. You can also get the charge wizard pendant with the 4655 that will enable you to manually switch between charge voltages.

    Also look at upgrading the wire gauge between the converter and batteries...sounds like you have a compact set up, but I had a 25' run and a big voltage drop.

    BFL13 wrote:
    That still leaves plugging the MW into a different receptacle or extension cord if you want a project to add to your list.


    No need...since OP is using a transfer switch to bring inverter power to that circuit, the micro will work as normal when the rig is plugged into shore power.
  • BFL13's avatar
    BFL13
    Explorer II
    Dec 03, 2014
    Padlin wrote:
    I can't disagree that the 15.6 the solar has been at for this season is too high and likely to, or possibly might, smoke the $1000 fridge. The fridge (Dometic RML8555) specs online don't tell me what the input 12v range is. I'll dig my way into the trailer and see if the manual does any better. And I don't dis agree with SMKettner's observation that these settings are for batteries used in golf carts, that's what they are. Finding a standalone charger that goes that high is near impossible.

    I suppose I can drop the top voltage down to 15.4 or some such and nix this as an issue, for now. I don't mind doing it manually once in a while as mentioned.

    At the moment I come up with: I give up on the MW, which was always questionable. Purchase a Samlex PST-600-12 inverter with remote on/off, and the Kisae TS15A ATS, wired as I mentioned in the OP.

    Is an Iota 45 amp converter/charger sufficient to replace the WFCO 8955? The 55 amp is only $10 more.


    Before dropping the unwanted charging profile aspect of this, the OP has really got the wrong idea from somewhere about that.

    The charging specs for the GC2 XHDs (and other brand 6s too) are the same as here by US Battery. In the 14s. 15.6 is only for Equalizing once in a while, not regular charging as the Vabs.

    http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf

    If you are on solar in the sun often when on shore power, you can keep the WFCO as your converter for the 13.6 to run the rig on while maintaining the disconnected batts with the solar

    If off grid, you will be on solar so it doesn't matter what converter you have.

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2-6V Interstate GC batteries 232A
160w 12v flat mount solar, will add another 100-160w this spring/summer
Wfco 8955 converter/charger
Bogarts Trimetric 2030 battery monitor and SC-2030 Solar Charger Controller
No on board genny, have a Honda 2k
I do my own mods.


Looking to add a decent inverter to power an electric blanket or heat pad, and charge the laptop and camera. I currently use a cheap, noisy, 400w portable for the laptop and camera.

From reading this forum, I see my WFCO 8955 is not the greatest thing for my 2 6V interstate batteries, started looking into replacing it.

The existing circuit to the bedroom receptacles for the heating pad is the same one used for the microwave. That being the case I'll add the MW to what should be powered from the inverter. I checked it with a Killawatt and I get 1100w draw (700w unit) so I'll go for a 1500-2k inverter.


I like the Iota DLS-55 for a charger and the Xantrex Prowatt SW 2k inverter.
Xantrex
DLS-55
Looked at the combo units but for PSW they are out of my budget at $1k plus, hence my first question.

1. How can I tell if I need a PSW or MSW? If I went MSW I could get an all in one unit.

Hooking up an inverter:

The Xantrex has an optional remote, which I would get, and an Inline Transfer Relay.



I was thinking of using the output of the breaker to feed Input #2 and hooking the existing Romex to the output of the relay but this leaves no breaker for the output when running off the inverter.

2: Am I looking at this right or is there a better way? I'm open to all affordable suggestions.

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New 21' Fiberglass FW, all power related equip under the rear dinette seat.

2-6V Interstate GC batteries 232A
160w 12v flat mount solar, will add another 100-160w this spring/summer
Wfco 8955 converter/charger
Bogarts Trimetric 2030 battery monitor and SC-2030 Solar Charger Controller
No on board genny, have a Honda 2k
I do my own mods.


Looking to add a decent inverter to power an electric blanket or heat pad, and charge the laptop and camera. I currently use a cheap, noisy, 400w portable for the laptop and camera.

From reading this forum, I see my WFCO 8955 is not the greatest thing for my 2 6V interstate batteries, started looking into replacing it.

The existing circuit to the bedroom receptacles for the heating pad is the same one used for the microwave. That being the case I'll add the MW to what should be powered from the inverter. I checked it with a Killawatt and I get 1100w draw (700w unit) so I'll go for a 1500-2k inverter.


I like the Iota DLS-55 for a charger and the Xantrex Prowatt SW 2k inverter.
Xantrex
DLS-55
Looked at the combo units but for PSW they are out of my budget at $1k plus, hence my first question.

1. How can I tell if I need a PSW or MSW? If I went MSW I could get an all in one unit.

Hooking up an inverter:

The Xantrex has an optional remote, which I would get, and an Inline Transfer Relay.



I was thinking of using the output of the breaker to feed Input #2 and hooking the existing Romex to the output of the relay but this leaves no breaker for the output when running off the inverter.

2: Am I looking at this right or is there a better way? I'm open to all affordable suggestions.

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Padlin wrote:

...
Anyone care to point me towards this or briefly explain it and the final conclusions?


I went alooking and could not find it. Seems its buried in the archives (over 1 year old) somewhere.

Mostly explained above.

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Bend wrote:

Interstate's suggested requirements:

http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

IIRC, we have addressed this before and decided that the Interstate engineers were out-to-lunch when it was written.


Anyone care to point me towards this or briefly explain it and the final conclusions?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-04T03:36:58.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-04T03:36:58.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491977","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:12422":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:12422","uid":12422,"login":"Snowman9000","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-01-07T17:35:36.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:12422"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491976":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491976","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491976":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:12422"},"id":"message:1491976","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491976,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491976"},"body":"
Bend wrote:
BFL13 wrote:

...
The charging specs for the GC2 XHDs (and other brand 6s too) are the same as here by US Battery. In the 14s. 15.6 is only for Equalizing once in a while, not regular charging as the Vabs.

http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf
...


Interstate's suggested requirements:

http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

IIRC, we have addressed this before and decided that the Interstate engineers were out-to-lunch when it was written.


OP, that chart from Interstate shows 15.3 for the golf cart 6v batteries. Third chart down.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-04T03:35:48.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-04T03:35:48.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491976","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:63866":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:63866","uid":63866,"login":"BFL13","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-02-15T14:46:18.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:63866"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491975":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491975","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491975":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63866"},"id":"message:1491975","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491975,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491975"},"body":"Yes, the OP must be wondering why what he reads as the proper charging specs for his batteries isn't right.

I suspect that Interstate is using \"Bulk Voltage\" when we (and US Battery) mean \"Absorption Voltage\" and Interstate is using their Vabs to mean the same thing as the US Battery's \"Finish\" letting the voltage rise into the 15s to maintain the current.

There is no such thing as \"Bulk Voltage.\" Bulk is when voltage rises until it reaches Vabs with the charger's voltage staying just above battery voltage on the way up.

Trojan wants 14.8v for Vabs.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-03T18:08:42.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-03T18:08:42.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491975","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491974":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491974","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491974":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105165"},"id":"message:1491974","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491974,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491974"},"body":"
BFL13 wrote:

...
The charging specs for the GC2 XHDs (and other brand 6s too) are the same as here by US Battery. In the 14s. 15.6 is only for Equalizing once in a while, not regular charging as the Vabs.

http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf
...


Interstate's suggested requirements:

http://www.batteries-faq.com/activekb/questions.php?questionid=1

IIRC, we have addressed this before and decided that the Interstate engineers were out-to-lunch when it was written.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-03T16:54:42.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-03T16:54:42.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491974","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:730":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:730","uid":730,"login":"pnichols","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-04-26T06:29:00.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:730"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491973":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491973","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491973":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:730"},"id":"message:1491973","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491973,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491973"},"body":"
Padlin wrote:
Looking to add a decent inverter to power an electric blanket or heat pad, and charge the laptop and camera. I currently use a cheap, noisy, 400w portable for the laptop and camera.


For what it's worth .... all that can be replaced with 12 volt versions for powering and charging, so no inverter is necessary for those tasks. Since inverters waste energy performing their conversion process, more power is needed from your battery bank using an inverter than what is really necessary do do the things you want to do. For best drycamping power management, one should stay as much as possible in the inverter-less world.

In our RV we:

- Use the main batttery bank and 12 volt devices as much as possible.

- Use a small, fuel sipping, very quiet 650 watt four-stroke generator for every 2nd or 3rd day main battery bank charging.

- Use a quiet built-in generator for the microwave and air conditioning.

- Carry a small 300 watt pure sine wave inverter the we rarely use anymore for anything ... used to use it for the laptop and other small battery charging tasks until I converted the laptop to direct 12 volts and now use USB outlets for other small battery charging.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-03T11:53:00.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-03T11:53:00.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":354},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491973","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491972":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491972","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491972":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63866"},"id":"message:1491972","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491972,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491972"},"body":"
BurbMan wrote:
Padlin, look at the ..........

BFL13 wrote:
That still leaves plugging the MW into a different receptacle or extension cord if you want a project to add to your list.


No need...since OP is using a transfer switch to bring inverter power to that circuit, the micro will work as normal when the rig is plugged into shore power.


That still leaves the MW on that circuit though.

We need to spend more of the OP's money so he has a big inverter for the MW, toaster, kettle, etc and a small PSW inverter for the blanket, laptop, etc. :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-03T11:40:09.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-03T11:40:09.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491972","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:345793":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:345793","uid":345793,"login":"BurbMan","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-09-20T14:30:55.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:345793"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491971":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491971","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491971":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:345793"},"id":"message:1491971","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491971,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491971"},"body":"Padlin, look at the Progressive Dynamics 4655, it is a direct replacement for the WFCO, so it will just slide in to the existing power center. You can also get the charge wizard pendant with the 4655 that will enable you to manually switch between charge voltages.

Also look at upgrading the wire gauge between the converter and batteries...sounds like you have a compact set up, but I had a 25' run and a big voltage drop.

BFL13 wrote:
That still leaves plugging the MW into a different receptacle or extension cord if you want a project to add to your list.


No need...since OP is using a transfer switch to bring inverter power to that circuit, the micro will work as normal when the rig is plugged into shore power.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-03T11:05:39.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-03T11:05:39.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1491949/message:1491971","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491970":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1491970","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1491970":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63866"},"id":"message:1491970","revisionNum":1,"uid":1491970,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1491949"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1491949"},"subject":"Re: Choosing and installing an inverter","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1491970"},"body":"
Padlin wrote:
I can't disagree that the 15.6 the solar has been at for this season is too high and likely to, or possibly might, smoke the $1000 fridge. The fridge (Dometic RML8555) specs online don't tell me what the input 12v range is. I'll dig my way into the trailer and see if the manual does any better. And I don't dis agree with SMKettner's observation that these settings are for batteries used in golf carts, that's what they are. Finding a standalone charger that goes that high is near impossible.

I suppose I can drop the top voltage down to 15.4 or some such and nix this as an issue, for now. I don't mind doing it manually once in a while as mentioned.

At the moment I come up with: I give up on the MW, which was always questionable. Purchase a Samlex PST-600-12 inverter with remote on/off, and the Kisae TS15A ATS, wired as I mentioned in the OP.

Is an Iota 45 amp converter/charger sufficient to replace the WFCO 8955? The 55 amp is only $10 more.


Before dropping the unwanted charging profile aspect of this, the OP has really got the wrong idea from somewhere about that.

The charging specs for the GC2 XHDs (and other brand 6s too) are the same as here by US Battery. In the 14s. 15.6 is only for Equalizing once in a while, not regular charging as the Vabs.

http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf

If you are on solar in the sun often when on shore power, you can keep the WFCO as your converter for the 13.6 to run the rig on while maintaining the disconnected batts with the solar

If off grid, you will be on solar so it doesn't matter what converter you 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