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Kountryguy
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Feb 08, 2015

LED Replacement Bulbs

I want to replace the 1157 tail lights on my fifth wheel. The lenses on the lights are red. Should I purchase clear LED's or red? Has anyone else made this change? Can you recommend a supplier? I hope to get ones that do not need resistors. Thanks.

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  • The new vehicles are designed for LEDs and are SAE approved. That has no bearing on a discussion of Chinese LED retrofit lamp replacements.
  • Like you said these statutes are extremely outdated.
    I would not be surprised that the national traffic and SAE has not changed them.
    A quick reading would indicate that many of the new cars do not meet the standards.

  • S5.1.1.16 A lamp designed to use a
    type of bulb that has not been assigned
    a mean spherical candlepower rating
    by its manufacturer and is not listed in
    SAE Standard J573d, Lamp Bulbs and
    Sealed Units, December 1968, shall meet
    the applicable requirements of thisstandard when used with any bulb of
    the type specified by the lamp manufacturer,
    operated at the bulb’s design
    voltage. A lamp that contains a sealed in
    bulb shall meet these requirements
    with the bulb operated at the bulb’s design
    voltage.
    S5.1.1.17 Except for a lamp having a
    sealed-in bulb, a lamp shall meet the
    applicable requirements of this standard
    when tested with a bulb whose filament
    is positioned within ±.010 inch of
    the nominal design position specified
    in SAE Standard J573d, Lamp Bulbs and
    Sealed Units, December 1968, or specified
    by the bulb manufacturer.



    S5.1.1.6 Instead of the photometric
    values specified in Table 1 of SAE
    Standards J222 December 1970, or J585e
    September 1977, a parking lamp or tail
    lamp, respectively, shall meet the minimum
    percentage specified in Figure 1a
    of the corresponding minimum allowable
    value specified in Figure 1b. The
    maximum candlepower output of a
    parking lamp shall not exceed that prescribed
    in Figure 1b, or of a taillamp,
    that prescribed in Figure 1b at H or
    above. If the sum of the percentages of
    the minimum candlepower measured at
    the test points is not less than that
    specified for each group listed in Figure
    1c, a parking lamp or taillamp is
    not required to meet the minimum
    photometric value at each test point
    specified in SAE Standards J222 or
    J585e respectively


    Source:
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title49-vol6/pdf/CFR-2010-title49-vol6-sec571-108Nt-.pdf

    https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/005/sae.j222.1970.pdf

    http://archive.org/stream/gov.law.sae.j585.1977/sae.j585.1977_djvu.txt

    These are old documents before LEDs were even a dream, but are still law, so if you are wanting to see a "LED bulbs are illegal inside of incandescent housings" in bold capital letters, you will be disappointed.

    Perhaps some LED bulbs in some fixtures will meet the lighting requirements, when tested with proper photometric equipment. But an uninformed person with the ability to install a LED light bulb, simply cannot subjectively look at the light output and claim it meets the standards, and is safe and legal, and proclaim so.

    While the lighting police will never be knocking at your door, one should at least be concerned whether their aftermarket lighting is not only not Glaringly bright to other drivers, but is visible from all angles required, and is of proper intensity to properly convey to other drivers what the driver is doing.

    But unfortunately Humans have this need to justify their purchases and thump their chests.

    If one insists on Putting LED bulbs into incandescent figures: the following was written by a moderator on the Candlepower forums, who knows more about this topic than anybody here.
    A test lab is really the only way to get an accurate go/no-go test. If you are doing a purely visual evaluation, install one of the test bulbs (leave the stock bulb on the other side). Turn on the lamps with the truck out in bright daylight. Walk about 25 feet away from the truck and move in an arc (180°) from one side of the truck to the other, keeping both lamps in view to evaluate their relative visibility. Watch for how bright the lamps appear, the apparent size of the lit area, any "dropout" angles, any "flash" angles (extra bright light), shadows, etc. Then double your distance to the truck and walk back and forth again to compare the two sides. Once it's dark out, move the truck about 4 feet away from a wall or garage door, at 90° (not crooked), turn on the lamps, and look at the apparent brightness and size of the patch of light shining on the wall from the two lamps. A handheld light meter goes a long way here. If the light patch on the test bulb's side is dimmer and/or smaller, or there are dark streaks/shadows, or (in the daylight observation) if there are angles from which the test bulb is less visible than the filament bulb, the test bulb fails in that application. Of course, if you do see any shadows or bright spots or other artifacts, check to make sure the standard bulb doesn't have a comparable artifact on the other side. Also be sure to compare (day and night) the apparent bright/dim ratio. Often an LED retrofit will have insufficient difference between the bright (brake) and dim (tail) mode, which is very dangerous; it basically renders the lights useless for conveying the message they're supposed to convey.

    None of this is sufficient to say for sure that the test bulb is good enough, but it's enough to reject the test bulb if it's bad enough.


    Incandescent bulbs get dimmer with age. The lenses get hazed and cloudy with time and UV exposure. A brighter LED bulb is not the answer, and I am a bit sick of being blinded by superbright LED lights in people's brake lights, and those with HID retrofit bulbs in incandescent housings infuriate me and make me want to drive them off the road.

    Thankfully they are starting to ticket those HID offenders, and hopefully the 'Blue is cool' mentality/fad dies out soon.
  • I would like to see a referenced law stating the using an LED lamp in an incandescent fixture it illegal.
    I would make sure that the LED lamp has the same or more lumen output then the replaced incandescent.
    Red LEDs should be used in a red lens.
  • Rarely do LED bulbs in incandescent housings work properly. Housings and reflectors are designed around the filament light source, and LEDs just do not fit the bill.

    Radially firing LEDS might or might not fill out the reflector properly so it is visible from all angles.

    A big issue with a 1157 dual filament bulb is not the proper brightness difference between running and signal light. The signals are too bright, which makes it appear like you are one of those nimrods accellerating with their foot on the brake, and then when you do actually use the brake, it is not significantly brighter and correctly conveying the signal they are designed to convey, that you are braking.

    If you insist on getting LED bulbs, then get the LEDs the same color as the lens.

    Phillips recently has been designing bulbs that will meet DOT standards, but only in some vehicles. By all accounts these bulbs are designed and built well. I have some t10 base philips leds and the quality eclipses any other LED I've tried for internal lighting, and I now have a pile of useless t10 wedge base bulbs.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HWS7XGW/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2/184-9786118-9073550?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=152VGE60QP7DCEQ6Q2TM&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687522&pf_rd_i=B00HV25XUM#customerReviews



    Do be aware that using LED bulbs in incandescent housings is illegal. If you get rear ended and a lawyer or insurance company finds out you were using LED's in incandescent housings, well, it is now your fault, even if the other driver blows a .28.

    The approved list that Phillips puts out, is small, but they are the closest you will come to legal, and high quality, at this point.
  • Get the right bulbs and they will work fine. Have had them in the fiver tail lights for several years and all 8 lights on the truck are LEDS. They come on faster and brighter than incandescent bulbs.

    You might try these from Iowa80.com

    Only issue is sufficient resistance for the directional flasher to operate properly. I have four taillights on the fiver; with 4 LEDs the signals would not operate properly. With LEDs in 2 of them everything works fine and I have the added benefit of the top brake lights (LED) coming on a split second before the lower ones (incandescent bulbs.)

    I have red LEDs behind red lenses as that was all I could get at the time. I expect that white LEDs behind red lenses might be a bit brighter.
  • Purchase new taillight assemblies, not lamp replacements. An LED lamp replacement will result in a dim glow in the center of the lens.

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