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Semperfido
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Jul 18, 2013

Vapor lock

What the heck, I may as well go for another one.
I have a 1987 Intervec Falcon 190 with a Ford 351w, 4 bbl carburetor. I recently traveled the south and had a lot of problems with vapor lock. Some of it was unavoidable.

At one point I was at 9,000 feet on a 98 degree day and the combination of heat, altitude and 10% ethanol had the fuel in my rear tank boiling. Out the vent and around the gas cap.

Anyway, in a 1969 Chev I had I put clothespins on the fuel line and it prevented vapor lock. On this I can't find the fuel lines, not much of them anyway.

Does anyone have any good ideas as to how to prevent vapor lock in a system like this?

Thanks, again, for whatever attention you can give this.

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  • Jerrybo66's avatar
    Jerrybo66
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    Jul 19, 2013
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    Boiling gas in the tank sounds really weird. ??? :h I have a 1986 J-10 jeep, 360, carbureted. On an elk trip to the Flagstaff area, 8000' I had about the same trouble. On an off road hill pull with a small trailer it quit. I figured it ran out of air and choked up. . Started up and continued to the back country camp. On the trip back to the Phoenix valley I had "vapor lock." Bottom line, what I think was happening, the block was overheating, heating the fuel as it entered the carb. not necessarily in the lines. In other words, the block heat was radiating into the carburetor. The water temps were high but not boiling. I had pipe insulation over most all the gas lines. I had replaced the stock radiator years before with a four core but took it to a shop to have it rodded and boiled. My "new" rad was partially clogged..So far, no problems. I don't know if this makes sense to any mechanics here but this is what I've found to be MY problem.. Good luck..
  • the_bear_II's avatar
    the_bear_II
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    Jul 18, 2013
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    I remember adding an electric fuel pump to solve a vapor lock problem. Bypassed the mechanical and used an inline electric fuel pump.

    It's been so long since I've even heard about vapor lock, I can't remember all of the tricks. By 1987 I'm pretty sure you should have a closed fuel system which means there should be no way for the fuel to boil out the cap. You may need to replace the cap.
  • Matt_Colie's avatar
    Matt_Colie
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    Jul 18, 2013
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    Your only hope is to convert the engine to fuel injection with an in-tank pump. Other than that, stay put in hot weather and only buy gas that has no ethanol. If ethanol is all that good, how come they have to give it a 1 psi allowance on Reid Vapor pressure.

    Remember, you voted for it.

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I have a 1987 Intervec Falcon 190 with a Ford 351w, 4 bbl carburetor. I recently traveled the south and had a lot of problems with vapor lock. Some of it was unavoidable.

At one point I was at 9,000 feet on a 98 degree day and the combination of heat, altitude and 10% ethanol had the fuel in my rear tank boiling. Out the vent and around the gas cap.

Anyway, in a 1969 Chev I had I put clothespins on the fuel line and it prevented vapor lock. On this I can't find the fuel lines, not much of them anyway.

Does anyone have any good ideas as to how to prevent vapor lock in a system like this?

Thanks, again, for whatever attention you can give this.","body@stringLength":"752","rawBody":"What the heck, I may as well go for another one.
I have a 1987 Intervec Falcon 190 with a Ford 351w, 4 bbl carburetor. I recently traveled the south and had a lot of problems with vapor lock. Some of it was unavoidable.

At one point I was at 9,000 feet on a 98 degree day and the combination of heat, altitude and 10% ethanol had the fuel in my rear tank boiling. Out the vent and around the gas cap.

Anyway, in a 1969 Chev I had I put clothespins on the fuel line and it prevented vapor lock. On this I can't find the fuel lines, not much of them anyway.

Does anyone have any good ideas as to how to prevent vapor lock in a system like this?

Thanks, again, for whatever attention you can give this.","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2013-07-18T14:33:08.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:579610_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1017},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"What the heck, I may as well go for another one. 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On an elk trip to the Flagstaff area, 8000' I had about the same trouble. On an off road hill pull with a small trailer it quit. I figured it ran out of air and choked up. . Started up and continued to the back country camp. On the trip back to the Phoenix valley I had \"vapor lock.\" Bottom line, what I think was happening, the block was overheating, heating the fuel as it entered the carb. not necessarily in the lines. In other words, the block heat was radiating into the carburetor. The water temps were high but not boiling. I had pipe insulation over most all the gas lines. I had replaced the stock radiator years before with a four core but took it to a shop to have it rodded and boiled. My \"new\" rad was partially clogged..So far, no problems. I don't know if this makes sense to any mechanics here but this is what I've found to be MY problem.. 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