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Ron_Nielson
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Jan 24, 2014

What is Eating Those Batteries?

I went to Quartzite yesterday to visit an old friend who is dry-camping on BLM land and has been having some electrical problems with his travel trailer, a 2001 KZ model. The problem is that even with 2 new 12V Group 29 Marine/RV batteries (Walmart), he will go from fully charged one afternoon to 12.05 volts by the end of breakfast the next morning.

I should tell you that this guy is a very experienced RVer who has dry camped a lot and understands what he needs to do to conserve battery, but this has him stumped. He uses one light, sometimes 2, in the evening for a couple of hours; listens to his 12V stereo for an hour or so, runs the heater in the morning for about an hour, water pump as needed charges his cell phone. Couldn't be that hard to figure out, right? Has to be that there is a parasitic load draining the battery, or that some appliance is pulling lots of amps, way more than it should be. So we got out the electrical tester and checked for parasitic load. Results were 25 milliamps, everything off that can be turned off. No parasitic load, at least not while we were testing.

So, if the problem isn't a parasitic load, it must be that something is pulling lots of amps while it is running. I decided that the easiest and most rational way to test was to pull the 12V fuses, one by one, and see what appliances were on a given circuit and to determine how many amps they were pulling while in actual use. Sure enough, nothing turned up as unusual. The item that pulled the most amps was the furnace, and that was 5 amps, just about what it should be. All other items were exactly what you would expect. I don't have the complete list to publish here, but absolutely nothing jumped out as being unusual.

So if no parasitic load, and nothing is pulling more amps that what you would expect, what is eating the battery? And how do you go about systematically testing to find out what it is? The trailer does have some age, and my suspicion - backed by absolutely nothing - is that it's the converter/charger. But why would that cause a large discharge from the batteries? I don't have any idea.

Any suggestions? Any help? Anyone have a similar problem who has solved it and willing to share their knowledge?

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  • smkettner wrote:
    Any chance he has measured voltage while charging?
    How many amps is the charger rated? How many hours does it run?

    Possibly the batteries were sitting on the shelf longer than expected before install. If the portable charger has a reconditioning or equalization setting use them both.


    I purchased a pair of batteries one time where I felt I may have been duped. 2 6v GC batts, I paired them up to charge before install. Date code stickers were 1 mo fresh, same code. After charging, I used a flashlight to check water level. It was then that I noticed the paper/felt used between the plates were very diffrent looking. On one batt they looked new, crisp sharp lines. The other battery the fibers were starting to seperate and just looked like they had been sitting in acid for a year or two.

    I've been buying agm lately, but after that incident, I told myself next time I buy a flooded I'm taking a flashlight with me and looking inside before purchase. Would be very easy to swap date code stickers.
  • BFL13 wrote:
    Could the emergency breakaway pin be pulled and those amps not show on the tester where you measured from? That would not show when pulling each fuse. It would show when he tries to pull the trailer next time I suppose!

    Powered tongue jack on?


    The parasitic load test was done at the battery and should have picked up the situation you outlined. Good thought. He had another circuit outside the circuits thru the converter/charger. It had been disconnected at the time we were working on it.
  • smkettner wrote:
    Any chance he has measured voltage while charging?
    How many amps is the charger rated? How many hours does it run?

    Possibly the batteries were sitting on the shelf longer than expected before install. If the portable charger has a reconditioning or equalization setting use them both.


    I believe it is a 40 amp charger (10/40/75), it has a desulfation mode, and we ran approx 8 hours while I was there. The daily run of the charger is not known by me. Battery date was 11/2013. I remember looking at the voltage display but don't really remember what it was as it was something that seemed 'normal' for a battery under charge.
  • Could the emergency breakaway pin be pulled and those amps not show on the tester where you measured from? That would not show when pulling each fuse. It would show when he tries to pull the trailer next time I suppose!

    Powered tongue jack on?
  • Any chance he has measured voltage while charging?
    How many amps is the charger rated? How many hours does it run?

    Possibly the batteries were sitting on the shelf longer than expected before install. If the portable charger has a reconditioning or equalization setting use them both.
  • if he is using an external charger

    try disconnecting the converter charge wiring from the circuit

    how to, depends on the model of converter

    it could be one wire, both wires, or a fuse

    could be a 'resistance' short in the old converter
  • smkettner wrote:
    How does he determine they are 100% charged?


    The external battery charger, powered by his Honda generator, tell him the batteries are charged. Batteries are properly installed and connections are tight.
  • smkettner wrote:
    How does he determine they are 100% charged?
    X2
  • Might verify how the batteries are connected. The positive feed should be off one battery and the negative off the other.

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