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waynefi
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Oct 07, 2014

Why didn't batteries last longer

The batteries in my TT seem to have lost most of their capacity after three years. Now three years isn't terrible performance, and I was looking for an excuse to switch to 6 volt anyway, but I'm curious if there is something I could have done to make them last longer.

I have a pair of Deka group 24s, nominally 65 Amp-hr each. The internal charger is a WFCO. When I am dry camping, I charge with an external charger, B&D VEC1093DBD. I set it to start at 40 amps. I generally turn off the generator when the charge current drops below 20A.

Now, after a full charge, the hygrometer reads around 1.225, fairly uniform across all cells, though I have a hard time getting repeatable readings. If I just turn on 40W of lights and time how long it takes to drop to 50%, I think I only have about half my original capacity. Both batteries seem equally weak.

We've camped about 180 days during the three years, with about 50 dry camping. I've only let the charge go much under 50% a few times. I've checked the water level occasionally, and it never seemed to need filling up. I've done the desulfate and equalize cycles of the charger a few times. It didn't seem to make much difference.

When I store the trailer during the summer, I just open the battery disconnect switch and leave it. During winter, I do the same, but I check the voltage occasionally and plug in overnight if it seems low. Generally, it doesn't seem to need that more than once or twice per winter.

There have been a couple of times when dry camping when it probably went without a charge above 90% for a couple of weeks.

So, what could I have done different? Is 40 A too aggressive a charge rate for these batteries? Should I have recharged more often during storage? Desulfated more often?

15 Replies

  • Hi,

    The batteries did not last because they rarely if ever got to 100% state of charge. A wfco could take 168 hours to fully charge a battery bank.

    The current bank may not be wired in a balanced manner. That may cause one battery to never fully charge.

    The best way to long battery life is to have a solar system.
  • How often did you use the equalize or recondition modes on the portable?

    WFCO will tend to chronically undercharge a battery.

    Best to leave plugged in continuous.
  • You have the 1093 so let's see if it can still do any good. Charge the batts to where it says FUL and then immediately switch to the 4amp setting and poke the hole to do an Equalize. Let that run till it says FUL again. Now reset and run another Equalize till it says FUL again. What is the SG now? (never mind the Recondition mode--it is dubious, iffy, etc)

    Yes you have not been charging them to 100% often enough. You have to run an Equalize (or two in a row even) with the 1093 as soon as possible after every session off grid.

    After that between trips leave the batts on the converter for their Float. Do not disconnect and let them sit for long periods. Water under the bridge now, let's see if anything can be saved as above.

    When you do get your 6s, follow this routine--your 1093 can do it perfectly. I use the Equalize on mine after every recharge to FUL (which isn't full it is about 97% in fact) to get them from 97 to 100.

    http://pdf.wholesalesolar.com/battery-folder/charging_instruction_2011_2.pdf
  • Probably a combination of reasons: The battery was not designed to be a true deep cycle battery. 130AH total leaves little room for discharging to a 50% SOC state. Batteries left in a discharged state deteriorate quickly. Batteries like to be charged back to 100% as quickly as possible and will thrive if floated during their storage period. If you didn't go camping at all and only charged the batteries once or twice in the Winter, three years would be an appropriate life, maybe less.

    I'd suggest to go solar. The solar thing treats the batteries very well and they receive some charge everyday the sun is shining (mine charge even in total cloud cover). If you equip with enough solar and can get by without AC, you can leave the generator, charger, and gas can at home.
  • You will be happy with 6 volt batteries. They carry so much more water.

    Actually you could stay with group 8D 12 volt battery, it is about 220 amp hours at 12 volts in a single (somewhat difficult to lift) 120 pound battery. After installing a pair of 67 pound batteries, you will be very happy that you picked the 6 volt golf cart batteries, in two easy to lift packages!

    Yes it is about 62-67 pounds. Lots of lead, probably a gallon of water / acid mixture in each battery. The group 24 is less than a quart of water/acid mixture, and so much lead. You will be going from a pair of 65 AH batteries "lab rating" or total of about 80 real world amp hours to 220 AH and real world around 125 AH usable.

    Get a solar panel, and you will be really happy while dry camping!

    SunElec.com

    Fred.

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