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Carrera man wrote:
I use my truck for business traveling though out the country selling our products at motorcycle shows. I have always been a Ford guy my whole life and owned many Ford trucks. I purchased a 2500HD Chevy 6.0 gas a few years ago for local shows as we had a DP MH at the time. In an effort to get rid of the DP I put the Chevy into service pulling our trailer. It's been the best truck I ever owned. I am thinking about moving to a diesel in a year or so. All three make great trucks, however I look at my fellow vendors and see how their doing with theirs as most pretty much torture their trucks. The Cummins in the Dodge is probably the most dependable, its the trans that's the problem. I've know quit a few who have gone through several of them. The Ford has a bad rep from earlier Powerstrokes the new PS seem to be much better, I really hate that twin I beam suspension, in fact I despise it! I have heard that to have any major work done on the motor they have to lift the cab off the chassis. I have know a few vendors having electrical issue's with their Fords and their transmissions can be a problem as I have had problems with torque converters failing.I do like the idea of the new aluminum beds that their suppose to come out with. The GM Durmax really seems to be the winner with the people I know and you can't beat that Allison trans.
One more thing, I live in your area, don't let that road salt stay on what ever truck you purchase, wash it off no matter how cold it is. Its how I keep my stuff rust free.
Sounds like you need to update your info.
Since the intro of the 6.7 Cummins in 07 the 68RFE has been a very dependable trans and now the Aisin trans has been available since 13 and are a true medium duty trans.
I would highly recommend checking out the newer RAM's.mich800 wrote:
I am not sure if this has been discussed and I may have missed it. It appears the J2807 is a performance benchmark for a stated trailer weight but does not make any claim that the trailer weight tested WILL be within that vehicles GVWR and axle rating etc.
So is this test supposed to put an end to the whole confusion that many have determining if a specific trailer is really within their trucks capacities?
It will settle nothing as far as can I tow it questions. We will still have the same old discussions on the subject.mich800 wrote:
I am not sure if this has been discussed and I may have missed it. It appears the J2807 is a performance benchmark for a stated trailer weight but does not make any claim that the trailer weight tested WILL be within that vehicles GVWR and axle rating etc.
So is this test supposed to put an end to the whole confusion that many have determining if a specific trailer is really within their trucks capacities?
It's a towing test, but I can bet you that the max trailer listed will be within GVWR and GAWR... at least at the time of testing. Just like ANY max towing rating it's based on an empty truck with just a driver.
The point is to put a standard to the rating, and that has been done with speeds, acceleration, and weight.- I use my truck for business traveling though out the country selling our products at motorcycle shows. I have always been a Ford guy my whole life and owned many Ford trucks. I purchased a 2500HD Chevy 6.0 gas a few years ago for local shows as we had a DP MH at the time. In an effort to get rid of the DP I put the Chevy into service pulling our trailer. It's been the best truck I ever owned. I am thinking about moving to a diesel in a year or so. All three make great trucks, however I look at my fellow vendors and see how their doing with theirs as most pretty much torture their trucks. The Cummins in the Dodge is probably the most dependable, its the trans that's the problem. I've know quit a few who have gone through several of them. The Ford has a bad rep from earlier Powerstrokes the new PS seem to be much better, I really hate that twin I beam suspension, in fact I despise it! I have heard that to have any major work done on the motor they have to lift the cab off the chassis. I have know a few vendors having electrical issue's with their Fords and their transmissions can be a problem as I have had problems with torque converters failing.I do like the idea of the new aluminum beds that their suppose to come out with. The GM Durmax really seems to be the winner with the people I know and you can't beat that Allison trans.
One more thing, I live in your area, don't let that road salt stay on what ever truck you purchase, wash it off no matter how cold it is. Its how I keep my stuff rust free. - I am not sure if this has been discussed and I may have missed it. It appears the J2807 is a performance benchmark for a stated trailer weight but does not make any claim that the trailer weight tested WILL be within that vehicles GVWR and axle rating etc.
So is this test supposed to put an end to the whole confusion that many have determining if a specific trailer is really within their trucks capacities? - The SAE J2807 was developed so that tow vehicles would be tested actually towing a load and the test numbers would be relevant to people buying them.
There is no "compliant" aspect other than agreeing to publish performance numbers where a stated load is being hauled or towed. With a passenger vehicle that holds 4 passengers the testing is done with a single driver and no passengers and the 600 lb. load not being present is ignored.
This is very different if a pickup truck is rated to haul 4,000 lbs. in the bed or to tow 13,000 lbs. from its hitch and the testing is done with only a driver in the cab and no load. Big difference in MPG, stopping distances, acceleration times, slalom times, and noise levels.
The first company to agree to following the test standards was Toyota for what it is worth. But all that matters is the actual testing that is done. If Ram does the testing with a 8,000 lb. trailer or 2,000 lb. load in the bed and GM has a 9,000 lb. trailer and 2500 lbs. in the bed then the test results cannot be used.
This type of testing has been done by independent groups including the people at etrailer and Car and Driver magazine - but not a single "truck" publication has bothered to do this. Guess they don't want to upset their advertisers. - Some recent news really makes all this very interesting a VW Ram?
VW looking at taking over FCA Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Except that marketing matters. GM had it handed to them when they rated rated their 2011+ Dmax according SAE standards at 397/765.. And then Ford magically made theirs an "advertised" 400/800. It didn't matter that GM whipped Ford in virtually all of the tests after that... Ford had a higher number, and a lot of people "believed" the marketing hype. The sales numbers showed it. After that experience, there was no way GM was going to make the same mistake again... Though this time it would have been the 1/2 tons taking the majority of the hit.Hondavalk wrote:
Tundra went J2807 compliant in 2011. Just say-in :B
Yes they did, they were the first and good for them! It's a shame the others had to play games, but with that said both Ram and GM/Chevy were going to do it until Ford said nope not ready yet. Had the other two went ahead they could have put that fact in their ads and most likely taken sales from Ford. But should'a, would'a, could'a but didn't and for that same on ALL of them!
Donlarry barnhart wrote:
We bought our 08 GMC in 07 in time to drive to Florida for a cancer surgery on our son. It was ok going but coming back I felt this way about every rv of any style we saw "you lucky dog" Rving is the best way to travel. Nice to have the bathroom, bed and chair you like. I know you all probably understand.
chevman
We felt the exact same way last year when we took my wife's Acura MDX back to the prairies for a family reunion rather than taking the truck and fifth wheel. We went 5000 km (3000 miles) round trip which included $800 for 4 nights of hotel rooms there and back. My wife and I both said never again and we will be taking the RV the next time. Dealing with limited room in the SUV with a 3 year old son and yellow lab was bad enough and 2 cart fulls of luggage in and out of the hotel room every night put the icing on the cake. It sucks! Having your own bed and bathroom while travelling is something you cannot put a price on.
