2015 powerstroke 440hp/860tq

720Deere wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

720Deere wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

Road Runners wrote:
I want a diesel and the towing capacity of an F-250 at that price. It is doable. There are many buyers like me that would snap up such a truck. I say to hell with this power, breast thumping, race every new truck year.

I agree. The price and weight of a diesel is so excessive because of the ridiculous power numbers they create. There is barely a difference between most 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks (weight ratings because of springs usually). I would like a 8800 GVWR truck with a diesel engine that creates 350 HP and 450 or 500 ft/lbs of torque at 1800 rpms and gets 20 mpg highway that is available for $35K or less.

I don't need 800 ft/lbs torque. I don't need 500 hp. I don't want 14 mpg all the time. There is not really any logical reason for a 3/4 ton truck. Manufacturers can offer a lower GVWR in a 1 ton truck and escape the need to offer the 3/4 ton.

They already build the truck you are looking for, but it is a 1500. Why would anybody want to lower the GVWR of a 1 ton truck that is rated less than the average half ton?

Who makes the truck you're talking about? :h

The truck I am referring to is the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. It falls a little bit short of the HP requested, but it is within 30 lb/ft on the torque. It is rated to tow almost 9,000 lbs, and 28 mpg on the highway. That is pretty darn close to fulfilling all the wishes that were originally stated. I know it doesn't exactly fulfill that neutered 1 ton being dreamed up, but the point was that the guy is simply asking to de-rate a 1 ton to basically modern half ton specs.

I agree with Spoon059.

Everybody wants their cake and eat-it, too. Ram comes out with the Ecodiesel and the first thing everybody complains about is the low payload and tow capacity. Sure, it's nice it gets 28 MPG, but what good is that if it's unable to tow your TT, right? Sure, the current 3/4 - 1 ton trucks have the payload and tow capacity. Unfortunately, many don't want or need all the HP, torque, and the additional cost to feed 'em, both the diesel, and especially the gassers.

I think most will agree a 500-550 ft. lb. diesel has sufficient grunt to tow 12,000-13,000 lbs. It may not accelerate up a 7% grade like a 800 ft. lb. diesel, but it'll get the job done. The huge point I'm getting ready to make here is MPG. The 500-550 ft. lb. diesel has the ability to get the payload and tow capacity job done (in a HD 1/2 ton) AND get much better fuel economy. I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect low 20's MPG. The current crop of big diesels get 16-18 MPG (6-6.7 liter), the Ecodiesel gets 28 MPG (3.0 liter)--why not split it down the middle and make it 22 MPG (5.0 liter).

There are always folks that say anyone driving a truck has no grounds to complain about MPG. It's the nature of the beast, suck-it-up. You want mileage get a f'in Prius. Well, although it may not be a priority with some, in the world of Average Joe, MPG numbers equate to something that's directly connected to their wallet. They're reminded of it everytime they drive by a gas station, and everytime they gas-up. It's a big deal.

I've said it before, and again, I agree with Spoon059, there's a need and demand for a truck that's capable of 20-22 realworld MPG, that has at least 2,000 lbs, of payload and can tow at least 12,000 lbs. Every single time you see a post or thread here discussing gas vs. diesel or 1/2 vs. 3/4 ton---it's most always someone's desire for something more than a 1/2 ton, but less than a 3/4 ton. I think Nissan and Toyota have a chance to fill this gap with the 5.0 Cummins. If they do, they'll have this marketplace niche all to themselves. They'll have the Big 3 to thank because they're the ones that created it in the first place. Hopefully, Nissan and Toyota will market it as a class-leading, very Heavy Duty 1/2 ton. They have nothing to gain by marketing it as 3/4 ton.