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Airstreamer67 wrote:
Me Again wrote:
And my guess if you look at length of ownership that Dodge RAM/Cummins wins the statistic.
Chris
Well, nothing is perfect. Remember the Cummins' cracked "53" blocks, the killer-dowel pins, the failed lift pumps, the faulty wrist pins, et al, all of which could destroy thousands of dollars of engine. The consumer picked up many of those costs too.
And Ram has chosen an Italian diesel for its 1500 line next year, likely due to its new owners, who were basically given the company after it was bailed out by the American taxpayer, twice.
Ford is not immune. Read these articles if you don't believe me
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2011/09/19/ford-looks-hypocritical-in-new-anti-bailout-commercial/mich800 wrote:
I agree. I think that cost drove the decision to go to the plastic pan, and again when they went back to steel... But that doesn't play well for the blueboy band. They only talk about the superiority of the new part.
Huntingdog, theoretically both could be true. Back when steel prices went through the roof and now crazy oil prices. I suppose both could be true if not taken out of context of the economy. I don't know or care but I am sure someone could research that.Me Again wrote:
And my guess if you look at length of ownership that Dodge RAM/Cummins wins the statistic.
Chris
Well, nothing is perfect. Remember the Cummins' cracked "53" blocks, the killer-dowel pins, the failed lift pumps, the faulty wrist pins, et al, all of which could destroy thousands of dollars of engine. The consumer picked up many of those costs too.
And Ram has chosen an Italian diesel for its 1500 line next year, likely due to its new owners, who were basically given the company after it was bailed out by the American taxpayer, twice.- And my guess if you look at length of ownership that Dodge RAM/Cummins wins the statistic.
Chris Me Again wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Or the reputation of weak Dodge transmissions did not play a roll in poor sales in the past.
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Could you please link to statistics that show the Dodge transmissions had a higher than average failure rate.
I have seen failure rate comparisons that show the 48RE had lower failure rates year for year compared to the GM Allison. Chris
It does not matter. It is the perception is reality aspect. That is the ugly part of marketing. Much like the "perception" that foreign makes are superior to the domestics. There are those that believe it and you need to work that much harder to persuade them to try something they feel is inferior true or not. Where did the reputation of the bad dodge transmissions or bodies that fall apart before the drivetrain dies start. I don't know but at some point there must have been some truth to it. Chrysler has done a good job recently getting past some old bias and are winning back customers. It has not been easy and certainty not fast.- Peeps asked if I felt like a winner...depends on what he is asking...I was certainly not a winner in the 6.7 Ford world...not only did the truck let us down... Ford abandoned a lifelong customer (Deb)...
But in the end, I feel somewhat vindicated...I drove the POS Ford for 72000 miles in about 3 years...I traded it for the current ride, my 2006 Chevy DuraMax...I did lose $13000 in the difference ($38500 trade value) or about 18 cents a mile but I have not seen a CEL in a year of ownership...My anti BlueKoolAid campaign netted a verified 145 plus 6.7 sales kills costing 7.2 million dollars in lost sales and $1.4 million in lost profits...Have I impacted the Shameful Company that abandoned very loyal customers...a bit...my detractors will poo poo it away as negligible...
Regards mich800 wrote:
Or the reputation of weak Dodge transmissions did not play a roll in poor sales in the past.
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Could you please link to statistics that show the Dodge transmissions had a higher than average failure rate.
I have seen failure rate comparisons that show the 48RE had lower failure rates year for year compared to the GM Allison. ChrisMe Again wrote:
Well when you take the 6.0, 6.4 and now the 6.7 problems and wrap them in a questionable warranty commitment, that is where the comsumer gets the short stick.
Ford was very foolish to not having taken the high road on the 6.7 warranty as GM has with their CP4.2 failures.
This is a mistake that is going to dog them for years.
I have never purchases an extended vehicle warranty, but if I bought one of these new diesels I sure would give one a hard look. Chris
Just like the GM ignition cover up and fuel/brake line issues will not haunt them.
Or the reputation of weak Dodge transmissions did not play a roll in poor sales in the past.
That kind of stuff that only impacts Ford, is that what we are talking about.- I would add that every time another person goes to their vehicle insurance to cover things Ford skates on, they are effecting what overs will pay for their insurance down the road.
Chris - Well when you take the 6.0, 6.4 and now the 6.7 problems and wrap them in a questionable warranty commitment, that is where the comsumer gets the short stick.
Ford was very foolish to not having taken the high road on the 6.7 warranty as GM has with their CP4.2 failures.
This is a mistake that is going to dog them for years.
I have never purchases an extended vehicle warranty, but if I bought one of these new diesels I sure would give one a hard look. Chris
