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IdaD wrote:
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Six lug. I would bet on a GVWR in the 9500 range.
I could be wrong but I don't think they make a regular cab - I think they just have King and Crew cabs.
They say a Reg cab will be coming. Just not sure if it will be available with the Cummins and as an Titan XD or just the regular Titan.transamz9 wrote:
I still think it is going to be a great engine they are just trying to fill an in between spot with too heavy of a truck. With only 5 lugs on the wheel I'm going to guess the GVWR is going to be around 9,000#. They claim 2000# payload but that will be on a striped down regular cab long bed. I'm going to venture to say it will be around what the Ram 1500 payloads are.
Six lug. I would bet on a GVWR in the 9500 range.
I could be wrong but I don't think they make a regular cab - I think they just have King and Crew cabs.- Don't tell Audi that diesels can't race. If you follow LeMans style endurance racing you'll already know about their cars.
The latest version is the R18 -
4L TDI V-6 making 558 HP running on bio-diesel(YIKES !). The car also has a 272 HP electric motor and all wheel drive. Power for the electric motor comes from a flywheel accumulation system.
The technology on this car is amazing.
http://www.audi-motorsport.com/de/en/wec/technik.html
Audi has been racing and winning with diesels in LeMans cars for about 10 years. The earlier versions did not have an electric motor.
For the interested Florida snowbirds - Audi usually brings it to the 12 hour race at Sebring every year.
Tim - I still think it is going to be a great engine they are just trying to fill an in between spot with too heavy of a truck. With only 5 lugs on the wheel I'm going to guess the GVWR is going to be around 9,000#. They claim 2000# payload but that will be on a striped down regular cab long bed. I'm going to venture to say it will be around what the Ram 1500 payloads are.
RinconVTR wrote:
otrfun wrote:
The Cummins 5.0 V8 diesel "numbers" speak for themselves. In terms of raw torque (vs. 1/2 ton gas engines), I agree it's not a fair comparison--the Cummins 5.0 V8 comes out on top. You can play the HP card all day long, but big torque numbers at low RPM's is what makes for effortless towing in the realworld. Big HP numbers (relative to torque) require a lot of RPM's and constant transmission activity to maximize output---both distract from the ideal tow experience.
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In the pickup market, yes only the EcoD. In the SUV market, there are many more to compare side by side with their gas engine options.
The Cummins 5.0 numbers do speak for themselves. They are low on HP compared to their competitive gas engine options. We can play the torque vs HP game all day, but the fact remains when you are full throttle under high load...just cause its a diesel doesn't mean its will hold under 2,000rpm where peak torque shows up.
You will be surprised to learn how high these diesels actually run when towing under stress. I suggest you pay closer attention...cause you are clearly missing this point.
I believe that even in the heavy duty trucks the diesels have less HP than their gas counterparts. What is the preferred engine in the HD trucks when towing and hauling? My FIL has a 2015 gas HD. Can he keep up with me? Sure Does he? No. When he had his 2013 diesel he did. The diesels may be running hard in some peoples eyes but the feel like they are just loafing along and do it for hundreds of thousands of miles. There is a big difference in the diesel experience and the gas experience. Some like one and others like the other.RinconVTR wrote:
ANY engine under "stress" or full throttle will be performing at the edge of its reliability/torque curve. What's your point?otrfun wrote:
In the pickup market, yes only the EcoD. In the SUV market, there are many more to compare side by side with their gas engine options.
The Cummins 5.0 V8 diesel "numbers" speak for themselves. In terms of raw torque (vs. 1/2 ton gas engines), I agree it's not a fair comparison--the Cummins 5.0 V8 comes out on top. You can play the HP card all day long, but big torque numbers at low RPM's is what makes for effortless towing in the realworld. Big HP numbers (relative to torque) require a lot of RPM's and constant transmission activity to maximize output---both distract from the ideal tow experience.
The Cummins 5.0 numbers do speak for themselves. They are low on HP compared to their competitive gas engine options. We can play the torque vs HP game all day, but the fact remains when you are full throttle under high load...just cause its a diesel doesn't mean its will hold under 2,000rpm where peak torque shows up.
You will be surprised to learn how high these diesels actually run when towing under stress. I suggest you pay closer attention...cause you are clearly missing this point.
My point: effortless, stress-free towing through the use of an engine that produces high torque at a very low RPM with minimal transmission activity, and minimal NVH. High HP numbers (relative to torque) can produce significant torque with proper gearing. However, the down side is high RPM's, constant transmission activity, and high NVH.
A diesel engine has its forte. So does a gas engine. There's a very good reason why you'll never see a diesel engine in an Indy 500 race car. There's also very good reason why you'll never see a 700 HP Indy 500 engine powering an 18-wheeler.otrfun wrote:
The Cummins 5.0 V8 diesel "numbers" speak for themselves. In terms of raw torque (vs. 1/2 ton gas engines), I agree it's not a fair comparison--the Cummins 5.0 V8 comes out on top. You can play the HP card all day long, but big torque numbers at low RPM's is what makes for effortless towing in the realworld. Big HP numbers (relative to torque) require a lot of RPM's and constant transmission activity to maximize output---both distract from the ideal tow experience.
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In the pickup market, yes only the EcoD. In the SUV market, there are many more to compare side by side with their gas engine options.
The Cummins 5.0 numbers do speak for themselves. They are low on HP compared to their competitive gas engine options. We can play the torque vs HP game all day, but the fact remains when you are full throttle under high load...just cause its a diesel doesn't mean its will hold under 2,000rpm where peak torque shows up.
You will be surprised to learn how high these diesels actually run when towing under stress. I suggest you pay closer attention...cause you are clearly missing this point.otrfun wrote:
IMO, the "no-man's land" (or "gap" as dshelly called it) is what fuels a lot of gas vs. big-bore diesel threads.
I think many will disagree with your assessment of the Cummins V8 5.0 diesel/torque/MPG experience. Rather doubt the 3.5EB, Hemi/Tundra 5.7, 6.2, 6.4, etc. are going to even come close in a realworld 10,000 lb. tow battle.
Although it may not be appealing to your needs, IMO Nissan has found a market path of least resistance . This path leads directly to a number of prospective and current 1/2 ton owners who want the diesel experience, but don't want to make the jump to a big-bore diesel.RinconVTR wrote:
Not sure what you're basing all your "night and day" towing test results on. Outside of the Ecodiesel is there any other small/medium diesel? Big HP/torque difference between the Ecodiesel and the Cummins 5.0 V8. Little ridiculous to lump them together from a performance perspective.
Are you thinking these smaller diesels will out perform their gas counter parts in the 1/2 ton truck market when it comes to towing? Think again. Its hardly a fair comparison.
Search for actual towing tests of ANY small/medium size diesel on the market right now. Regarding towing performance only...the difference is night and day. Gas engines, with their higher HP, make these smaller diesels painful to drive under strenuous towing conditions.
But hey...you might get 1 or even 3 better MPG....for drastically higher up front cost.
So you decide what the priority is. You'll get to your destination regardless.
The Cummins 5.0 V8 diesel "numbers" speak for themselves. In terms of raw torque (vs. 1/2 ton gas engines), I agree it's not a fair comparison--the Cummins 5.0 V8 comes out on top. You can play the HP card all day long, but big torque numbers at low RPM's is what makes for effortless towing in the realworld. Big HP numbers (relative to torque) require a lot of RPM's and constant transmission activity to maximize output---both distract from the ideal tow experience.
In any case, the Nissan Cummins is due to hit showrooms in the coming weeks. Looking forward to seeing some realworld comparisons to lay all this conjecture to rest.8.1 Van wrote:
The Nissan Cummins Titan at the SEMA show in Las Vegas the past week:
Can this 2016 Nissan Titan XD capture the diesel land speed record?
Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/sema-show/2016-nissan-titan-xd-chases-diesel-land-speed-record#ixzz3r0L2roFJ
http://www.trucktrend.com/news/1511-2016-nissan-titan-xd-gets-measured-for-sema/
I suppose they're going up against the Ford 6.7 Power Stroke speed record? If so it seams Fred continues to copy the competition with it's own game.
BTW... I seen the Ford Super Duty land speed record truck a couple of years ago. 182 mph and drive it home. :B
LinkIMO, the "no-man's land" (or "gap" as dshelly called it) is what fuels a lot of gas vs. big-bore diesel threads.
I think many will disagree with your assessment of the Cummins V8 5.0 diesel/torque/MPG experience. Rather doubt the 3.5EB, Hemi/Tundra 5.7, 6.2, 6.4, etc. are going to even come close in a realworld 10,000 lb. tow battle.
Although it may not be appealing to your needs, IMO Nissan has found a market path of least resistance . This path leads directly to a number of prospective and current 1/2 ton owners who want the diesel experience, but don't want to make the jump to a big-bore diesel.
Are you thinking these smaller diesels will out perform their gas counter parts in the 1/2 ton truck market when it comes to towing? Think again. Its hardly a fair comparison.
Search for actual towing tests of ANY small/medium size diesel on the market right now. Regarding towing performance only...the difference is night and day. Gas engines, with their higher HP, make these smaller diesels painful to drive under strenuous towing conditions.
But hey...you might get 1 or even 3 better MPG....for drastically higher up front cost.
So you decide what the priority is. You'll get to your destination regardless.
