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brulaz wrote:
IdaD wrote:
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I dunno - the gap between a half ton and a diesel HD truck is huge. I think there's plenty of room for a tweener like the XD to work out. Even if it isn't any faster than an Ecoboost, it still has a stouter chassis and driveline and should handle an 8-11k load better. Not like a big diesel of course, but again this thing is targeting that in-between niche.
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Trouble is, it's not really a "tweener". In terms of payload or tow capacity, it's more like a regular F150 or Chevy half-ton, just heavier and with a diesel engine.
They spend a lot of time talking about how smooth the ride is, how much better it is than the big trucks. That also makes it sound like a regular half-ton, where you have to stiffen the suspension to properly handle max loads.
Maybe they'll come up with a HD Payload option like the F150. Stiffer suspension, heftier axles and wheels. Now that would be interesting and make it a real "tweener".
On paper you're correct, but this thing weighs about a ton more than an F150 and has a stouter frame and drivetrain with considerably more torque. I'd expect better overall towing performance out of the XD despite similar ratings on paper.
That being said, one issue the XD will run into is that there probably won't be any monetary advantage to going with it over a bigger diesel aside from possibly lower fuel costs. Even a standard grade half ton, at least in the popular crew cab configurations, doesn't have much of a cost advantage over heavy duty trucks anymore (even diesel ones if you take it easy on options).brulaz wrote:
Trouble is, it's not really a "tweener". In terms of payload or tow capacity, it's more like a regular F150 or Chevy half-ton, just heavier and with a diesel engine.
They spend a lot of time talking about how smooth the ride is, how much better it is than the big trucks. That also makes it sound like a regular half-ton, where you have to stiffen the suspension to properly handle max loads.
Maybe they'll come up with a HD Payload option like the F150. Stiffer suspension, heftier axles and wheels. Now that would be interesting and make it a real "tweener".
I agree, the numbers aren't really appealing to me. Its payload and tow rating are similar to the higher end of half tons. The fuel economy isn't that great. The tow ratings aren't that great.
It seems to be just a more expensive half ton... with a diesel... but without the benefits of a diesel (more power, better fuel economy, exhaust brake, etc). I don't know, it just seems to be an odd fit. Maybe we are seeing why Toyota didn't use it in 2016...IdaD wrote:
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I dunno - the gap between a half ton and a diesel HD truck is huge. I think there's plenty of room for a tweener like the XD to work out. Even if it isn't any faster than an Ecoboost, it still has a stouter chassis and driveline and should handle an 8-11k load better. Not like a big diesel of course, but again this thing is targeting that in-between niche.
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Trouble is, it's not really a "tweener". In terms of payload or tow capacity, it's more like a regular F150 or Chevy half-ton, just heavier and with a diesel engine.
They spend a lot of time talking about how smooth the ride is, how much better it is than the big trucks. That also makes it sound like a regular half-ton, where you have to stiffen the suspension to properly handle max loads.
Maybe they'll come up with a HD Payload option like the F150. Stiffer suspension, heftier axles and wheels. Now that would be interesting and make it a real "tweener".RinconVTR wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Here's another video of the Titan pulling 9k lb trailer. Mr. Truck didn't seam too happy with the power from this short test drive. Also the cummins sure seams to be very loud during acceleration.
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Yup. Something I've been saying for awhile...these smaller diesels are not the power houses for towing people think they are. People are in for a rude awakening if they buy these things for consistent towing.
Those who are seasonal RVers and want better MPG during the other 6 months of the year it might work out if you pay the price upfront and likely more maintenance cost. The high purchase price alone throws ROI out the window.
I still dont see anything but a small niche to fill here, very much like the EcoDiesel but with more realistic power.
I dunno - the gap between a half ton and a diesel HD truck is huge. I think there's plenty of room for a tweener like the XD to work out. Even if it isn't any faster than an Ecoboost, it still has a stouter chassis and driveline and should handle an 8-11k load better. Not like a big diesel of course, but again this thing is targeting that in-between niche.
It isn't a truck I'd buy but I can certainly see it working for a lot of people.womps wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Here's another video of the Titan pulling 9k lb trailer. Mr. Truck didn't seam too happy with the power from this short test drive. Also the cummins sure seams to be very loud during acceleration.
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Wow. Nissan pitted their new diesel against the F150 with the 5 liter. They didn't choose the Ecoboost because the 5 liter is the more popular choice!! What planet is Nissan from anyhow? Also noticed the F150 they used for comparison didn't have the trailer towing mirrors. So who knows, maybe it didn't have the trailer towing package as well or maybe didn't have a 3.73 ratio. What a joke of a comparison!
:) Hi, And Nissan wouldn't let TFL drive them or see inside of the trailers to determine what they both weighed. What are you hiding Nissan?????????FishOnOne wrote:
Here's another video of the Titan pulling 9k lb trailer. Mr. Truck didn't seam too happy with the power from this short test drive. Also the cummins sure seams to be very loud during acceleration.
Link
Yup. Something I've been saying for awhile...these smaller diesels are not the power houses for towing people think they are. People are in for a rude awakening if they buy these things for consistent towing.
Those who are seasonal RVers and want better MPG during the other 6 months of the year it might work out if you pay the price upfront and likely more maintenance cost. The high purchase price alone throws ROI out the window.
I still dont see anything but a small niche to fill here, very much like the EcoDiesel but with more realistic power.FishOnOne wrote:
Here's another video of the Titan pulling 9k lb trailer. Mr. Truck didn't seam too happy with the power from this short test drive. Also the cummins sure seams to be very loud during acceleration.
Link
Wow. Nissan pitted their new diesel against the F150 with the 5 liter. They didn't choose the Ecoboost because the 5 liter is the more popular choice!! What planet is Nissan from anyhow? Also noticed the F150 they used for comparison didn't have the trailer towing mirrors. So who knows, maybe it didn't have the trailer towing package as well or maybe didn't have a 3.73 ratio. What a joke of a comparison!FishOnOne wrote:
Here's another video of the Titan pulling 9k lb trailer. Mr. Truck didn't seam too happy with the power from this short test drive. Also the cummins sure seams to be very loud during acceleration.
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Mr. Truck also pointed out that the underbid gooseneck looks a lot like a Reese.
I wonder if they are going to go with a full fifth wheel prep package?
I wonder when they are going to show us the normal Titan… I would like to see the specs with the V8 gas just for kicks and giggles. I wonder how many of the features will carry over (trailer brake controller, etc. etc.)
Thanks!
Jeremiahhvac wrote:
One of the key advantages to a diesel is mpg under a load.I would like to see a side by side tow test, nationwide, both trucks lugging the same travel trailer. This would be a great way to compare say a 3D to a Eco boost. I know for a fact that a small displacement turbo v6 can be a thirsty beast indeed. So far with a 4k coach and heavy cross winds and not even 2k miles on truck, tow MPG over approx. 17mpg! My 2008 ford 5.4 would have been in the 9mpg at best.
I agree.
Over the last 10K miles towing my ~8K trailer all over N.America the 3.5L EcoBoost has given me 10.4 mpgUS. But a lot of that has been using Premium gas. With regular I would probably be under 10 mpgUS.
What would a 5L Cummins diesel in the Titan XD do? The low-end 4x2 might just have the payload to tow my trailer (just like my current F150). And a 4x4 King Cab might also. I would love to find out. 13mpgUS towing?
Just wish they had implemented the turbo exhaust brake. Besides mileage, that's another reason I wouldn't mind moving away from the EcoBoost.
Your Ecodiesel mileage with that 4K# trailer is awesome.
