2017 F-450

I agree. I wouldn't have a long wheelbase without the wide track and the 4.30's make things fun. I also agree that the 19'5's post an issue for many. It's too bad they dropped the high capacity option for 2017. I guess it was pulling too many sales from the 450 and they wanted to differentiate the two more.

Well for me it was still worth the price, yes my highway fuel mileage isn't what my 2011 with 3:55 gears got, but the turning and ability to park is awesome.

1jeep wrote:
Ok, I will believe you but I don't understand why they don't then state that 3:73 is deleted for that reason. I did once try to find where ford states exactly what makes the HD tow, not sure where they've hidden that info.

I see that KR 350 drw is still on the lot since January, im sure eventually someone will get a good deal on it.

The same reason they don't state that the 6.2 is deleted when you add the 6.7. They are stating which options you get, not which ones were standard but upgraded. As to what's included in the HC tow pkg., it's three things. Wide track front end, 4.30 gears, and the front fender flares to accommodate the wide track. That's it.

Ok, I will believe you but I don't understand why they don't then state that 3:73 is deleted for that reason. I did once try to find where ford states exactly what makes the HD tow, not sure where they've hidden that info.

I see that KR 350 drw is still on the lot since January, im sure eventually someone will get a good deal on it.

1jeep wrote:
Sorry buddy but you are wrong and here is an example window sticker from a 2016 drw sitting on the lot.
http://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/windowsticker.pdf?vin=1FT8W3DTXGEB01440

notice the HD tow package and gear set are 2 separate options, HD tow gives you the wide track.

So if they were a package why would they be listed as 2 separate items with separate pricing?

No need to be sorry and no, I'm not wrong. They are listed separately on the sticker but are one and the same. You can not order the high capacity tow package without 4.30 gears. Order either and the other is a forced option. What do you think the high capacity tow package includes if it's not the 4.30s and the wide track? Just wide track? That certainly doesn't increase the towing capacity.

In fact, if you want to do a quick exercise, go to Ford's build and price. Change it from 2017 to 2016. Then build a DRW 350 and select 4.30 limited slip on the first page. Scroll down on the second page and you will see the high capacity tow package has already been selected. Bottom line is they are one and the same and the ONLY way to get 4.30s or wide track on a DRW is to get both as part of the high capacity tow package.

Sorry buddy but you are wrong and here is an example window sticker from a 2016 drw sitting on the lot.
http://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/windowsticker.pdf?vin=1FT8W3DTXGEB01440

notice the HD tow package and gear set are 2 separate options, HD tow gives you the wide track.

So if they were a package why would they be listed as 2 separate items with separate pricing?

1jeep wrote:
4:30 gears were not part of the HD tow package, that was an additional $350 on the 2016 models and so far I have not regretted getting either option!

BTW....believe it or not I didn't opt for the 450 because I didn't want the 19.5" wheels, maybe I will regret that someday ...that day hasn't arrived yet.

That is incorrect. The DRW 350 got the 4.30 gears and wide track as part of the High Capacity tow package from 2011-2016. Either option could not be ordered as a stand alone option. You got them in the package or you didn't get them at all.

4:30 gears were not part of the HD tow package, that was an additional $350 on the 2016 models and so far I have not regretted getting either option!

BTW....believe it or not I didn't opt for the 450 because I didn't want the 19.5" wheels, maybe I will regret that someday ...that day hasn't arrived yet.

shepstone wrote:
Does the 350 and 450 come equipped the same at the same trim level For example XLT to XLT?

Yes they do. However, one thing you can no longer get with the 350 which would be a deal breaker for me, is the wide track front axle. With the previous generation you could order the HD tow package on the DRW 350 which came with 4.30 gears and the wide track just like a 450. For 17 they discontinued that option. So, if I wanted or needed a DRW, I would go with the 450 just to get the wide track even though I likely wouldn't need the 4.30s. These trucks are so long and yet the wide track allows them to turn inside the circle of a short bed.

Does the 350 and 450 come equipped the same at the same trim level For example XLT to XLT?